TOPIC: Rare Token Thoughts?

A divination scroll to get the Rogue clue if they fail on the box.

jedibcg wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: Potion Ammo Alteration - Potion - All
You may use any kind of ammo with your ranged weapon

Potion Quickdraw - Potion - All
You may use 2 wands as a standard action
(TDb note - you must be eligible to use the wands in question, you may use 1 wand twice, or two wands, the potion handles any wand hand swapping as needed)

Potion Swirling Colors - Potion - All
Choose one: either cure 4 pts, or duplicate any 2007-2020 common or uncommon potion

Just to clarify Ammo Alteration doesn't let you use multiple just use a sling with a bow.

I don't know about Swiling Colors. I know cheaters are going to cheat and there is nothing we can do about this, but I don't like giving them additional ammo. "Here DM. I am drinking this as the 2008 Potion of Never Should have been made that makes -10 to all sources of damage." I don't expect DM's to know all common and uncommon potions (though that silly I invented I hope would be pretty obvious).

For ammo alteration I meant you could use sling bullets in your crossbow or whatever.

Fair enough on potion swirling colors - maybe too impractical.

Fiddy wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: Potion Ammo Alteration - Potion - All
You may use any kind of ammo with your ranged weapon

Potion Quickdraw - Potion - All
You may use 2 wands as a standard action
(TDb note - you must be eligible to use the wands in question, you may use 1 wand twice, or two wands, the potion handles any wand hand swapping as needed)

Potion Swirling Colors - Potion - All
Choose one: either cure 4 pts, or duplicate any 2007-2020 common or uncommon potion

Just to clarify Ammo Alteration doesn't let you use multiple just use a sling with a bow.

I don't know about Swiling Colors. I know cheaters are going to cheat and there is nothing we can do about this, but I don't like giving them additional ammo. "Here DM. I am drinking this as the 2008 Potion of Never Should have been made that makes -10 to all sources of damage." I don't expect DM's to know all common and uncommon potions (though that silly I invented I hope would be pretty obvious).

Swirling Colors would need to exclude all Potion of Polymorphs

Definitely right about that!

Maybe instead of ramping straight to ~+2 STR/+3 CON rare neck slot items, we could establish some middle ground and grow into that kind of token over the next few seasons (assuming UR neck doesn't creep further).

Maybe something like:

Melee necklaces:
Rare - +2 STR, +3 HP
Uncommon - +1 STR, +2 HP
Common - +1 to hit with melee, +1 HP

Ranged necklaces:
Rare - +3 DEX, +3 HP
Uncommon - +2 DEX, +2 HP
Common - +1 DEX, +1 HP

?

Matthew Hayward wrote: Maybe instead of ramping straight to ~+2 STR/+3 CON rare neck slot items, we could establish some middle ground and grow into that kind of token over the next few seasons (assuming UR neck doesn't creep further).

Maybe something like:

Melee necklaces:
Rare - +2 STR, +3 HP
Uncommon - +1 STR, +2 HP
Common - +1 to hit with melee, +1 HP

Ranged necklaces:
Rare - +3 DEX, +3 HP
Uncommon - +2 DEX, +2 HP
Common - +1 DEX, +1 HP

?

Maybe use the creeper amulets as a guide?

uncommon or common - 1 str
rare - 2 str 1 con (instead of the enhanced creeper amulet transmute, just make it a rare)
enhanced transmute - 4 str? 3 str 2 con?

Uncommon or common - 1 con
Rare - 2 con 1 str
enhanced transmute - 4 con? 3 con 2 str?

Naarg wrote: A divination scroll to get the Rogue clue if they fail on the box.

Even speaking as a rogue. I like this, quoting for visibility.

Picc wrote:

Naarg wrote: A divination scroll to get the Rogue clue if they fail on the box.

Even speaking as a rogue. I like this, quoting for visibility.

I love the idea of getting the clue another way.

Do we want to open the door for rogues to use scrolls in TD?

Should this be a bard scroll?

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Picc wrote:

Naarg wrote: A divination scroll to get the Rogue clue if they fail on the box.

Even speaking as a rogue. I like this, quoting for visibility.

I love the idea of getting the clue another way.

Do we want to open the door for rogues to use scrolls in TD?

Should this be a bard scroll?

If the bard could use this, would you ever bring a rouge, even on first runs through a dungeon? Since I presume most or all parties will have a bard, the bard can just burn 3 or 4 scrolls, and trade the rogue for one of the other 2 characters that you wouldn't have otherwise brought along?

Endgame wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Picc wrote:

Naarg wrote: A divination scroll to get the Rogue clue if they fail on the box.

Even speaking as a rogue. I like this, quoting for visibility.

I love the idea of getting the clue another way.

Do we want to open the door for rogues to use scrolls in TD?

Should this be a bard scroll?

If the bard could use this, would you ever bring a rouge, even on first runs through a dungeon? Since I presume most or all parties will have a bard, the bard can just burn 3 or 4 scrolls, and trade the rogue for one of the other 2 characters that you wouldn't have otherwise brought along?

Even on NM runs, people like getting extra treasure pulls.

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Picc wrote:

Naarg wrote: A divination scroll to get the Rogue clue if they fail on the box.

Even speaking as a rogue. I like this, quoting for visibility.

I love the idea of getting the clue another way.

Do we want to open the door for rogues to use scrolls in TD?

Should this be a bard scroll?

If the bard could use this, would you ever bring a rouge, even on first runs through a dungeon? Since I presume most or all parties will have a bard, the bard can just burn 3 or 4 scrolls, and trade the rogue for one of the other 2 characters that you wouldn't have otherwise brought along?

Even on NM runs, people like getting extra treasure pulls.

You could also make the effect:

Cast targeting the rougue, after the rogue has failed the skill check. The rogue gets the clue.

Endgame wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Picc wrote:

Naarg wrote: A divination scroll to get the Rogue clue if they fail on the box.

Even speaking as a rogue. I like this, quoting for visibility.

I love the idea of getting the clue another way.

Do we want to open the door for rogues to use scrolls in TD?

Should this be a bard scroll?

If the bard could use this, would you ever bring a rouge, even on first runs through a dungeon? Since I presume most or all parties will have a bard, the bard can just burn 3 or 4 scrolls, and trade the rogue for one of the other 2 characters that you wouldn't have otherwise brought along?

Thats why I'm only ok with it being a scroll (aka will go away eventually). I would be very against Bards just gaining this power.

Picc wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Picc wrote:

Naarg wrote: A divination scroll to get the Rogue clue if they fail on the box.

Even speaking as a rogue. I like this, quoting for visibility.

I love the idea of getting the clue another way.

Do we want to open the door for rogues to use scrolls in TD?

Should this be a bard scroll?

If the bard could use this, would you ever bring a rouge, even on first runs through a dungeon? Since I presume most or all parties will have a bard, the bard can just burn 3 or 4 scrolls, and trade the rogue for one of the other 2 characters that you wouldn't have otherwise brought along?

Thats why I'm only ok with it being a scroll (aka will go away eventually). I would be very against Bards just gaining this power.

Just to be clear, you're ok with the bard gaining this power as a scroll, but not as a spell on the card, correct?

I agree, Bards shouldn't have access to the rogue box or clue.