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raptorov wrote: I would love to get to GHC someday. Its a 9 hour drive for me. A piece of cake if I were still 22 years old, but now, not so much. I wish I could Amtrak to Madison. I would be totally in. Someday, someday

It's effectively a 10hr drive for me. I drive down to Columbus meet a TD friend and then we share driving rest of way to Madison. That's worked well for us since TD started going to GHC.

bpsymington wrote: Let's hear it for LAUSD - first major school district to mandate vaccines for all students (medical exemptions as usual, hopefully not religious ones) 12 years and older!

Extra good news b/c I am a teacher in LA.

Interesting that you are ok with taking away someone’s religious freedoms, while I don’t understand a religion saying “don’t get a vaccine” mainly because my religion has no such reason to ignore doctors. I still can’t fathom in America taking away someone’s religious freedoms

It's not taking away religious freedoms. They don't have to get the vaccine, they need to get the vaccine to go to the public school and be around other kids in that public school. Someone's rights end where they interfere with someone else's. That line is fuzzy and requires interpretation. If I sincerely believe that having AIDS is the way to get to heaven and I should be spreading it as much as possible, I'm not going to be able to do that legally even though stopping me curtails my ability to practice my religion publicly. I don't think going unvaccinated is the same thing as deliberately trying to spread AIDS, but it is something that puts other people around you at risk. If you want to be unvaccinated in private spaces or in sacred spaces to you knock yourself out, just don't put the public at large at risk.

Josh M. wrote: It's not taking away religious freedoms. They don't have to get the vaccine, they need to get the vaccine to go to the public school and be around other kids in that public school. Someone's rights end where they interfere with someone else's. That line is fuzzy and requires interpretation. If I sincerely believe that having AIDS is the way to get to heaven and I should be spreading it as much as possible, I'm not going to be able to do that legally even though stopping me curtails my ability to practice my religion publicly. I don't think going unvaccinated is the same thing as deliberately trying to spread AIDS, but it is something that puts other people around you at risk. If you want to be unvaccinated in private spaces or in sacred spaces to you knock yourself out, just don't put the public at large at risk.

Yes, this.
I am honestly confused how so many libertarians came down on the freedom to not get vaccinated side of this. You are free to do as you like, so long as you do not hurt others. That is the most basic summary of libertarianism; you still can't harm others. Thus, you can choose to not get vaccinated XOR you can choose to attend large gatherings; you can't do both without endangering other people.

Josh M. wrote: It's not taking away religious freedoms. They don't have to get the vaccine, they need to get the vaccine to go to the public school and be around other kids in that public school. Someone's rights end where they interfere with someone else's. That line is fuzzy and requires interpretation. If I sincerely believe that having AIDS is the way to get to heaven and I should be spreading it as much as possible, I'm not going to be able to do that legally even though stopping me curtails my ability to practice my religion publicly. I don't think going unvaccinated is the same thing as deliberately trying to spread AIDS, but it is something that puts other people around you at risk. If you want to be unvaccinated in private spaces or in sacred spaces to you knock yourself out, just don't put the public at large at risk.

This.

raptorov wrote: I would love to get to GHC someday. Its a 9 hour drive for me. A piece of cake if I were still 22 years old, but now, not so much. I wish I could Amtrak to Madison. I would be totally in. Someday, someday

I feel you...all non pax W TD cons are a 10ish hour drive for us (origins is just a bit longer)...but we make the haul with multiple people.

Miathan wrote:

bpsymington wrote: Let's hear it for LAUSD - first major school district to mandate vaccines for all students (medical exemptions as usual, hopefully not religious ones) 12 years and older!

Extra good news b/c I am a teacher in LA.

Interesting that you are ok with taking away someone’s religious freedoms, while I don’t understand a religion saying “don’t get a vaccine” mainly because my religion has no such reason to ignore doctors. I still can’t fathom in America taking away someone’s religious freedoms

There are no major religions that have objections to the Covid vaccinations. Anyone claiming one is most likely making something up that isn't endorsed by their belief system.

Josh M. wrote: It's not taking away religious freedoms. They don't have to get the vaccine, they need to get the vaccine to go to the public school and be around other kids in that public school. Someone's rights end where they interfere with someone else's. That line is fuzzy and requires interpretation. If I sincerely believe that having AIDS is the way to get to heaven and I should be spreading it as much as possible, I'm not going to be able to do that legally even though stopping me curtails my ability to practice my religion publicly. I don't think going unvaccinated is the same thing as deliberately trying to spread AIDS, but it is something that puts other people around you at risk. If you want to be unvaccinated in private spaces or in sacred spaces to you knock yourself out, just don't put the public at large at risk.

Part of the problem is that we have allowed the anti vax/ religious exempt movement to exist for a while now with far more deadly and far more infectious diseases around that we currently have vaccines for, so to say this is the breaking point I feel is a little to late

Now suggesting that if you are unvaccinated you can’t go into public. I’m gonna say that segregation 2.0 isn’t a good option in America

Miathan wrote:

Josh M. wrote: It's not taking away religious freedoms. They don't have to get the vaccine, they need to get the vaccine to go to the public school and be around other kids in that public school. Someone's rights end where they interfere with someone else's. That line is fuzzy and requires interpretation. If I sincerely believe that having AIDS is the way to get to heaven and I should be spreading it as much as possible, I'm not going to be able to do that legally even though stopping me curtails my ability to practice my religion publicly. I don't think going unvaccinated is the same thing as deliberately trying to spread AIDS, but it is something that puts other people around you at risk. If you want to be unvaccinated in private spaces or in sacred spaces to you knock yourself out, just don't put the public at large at risk.

Part of the problem is that we have allowed the anti vax/ religious exempt movement to exist for a while now with far more deadly and far more infectious diseases around that we currently have vaccines for, so to say this is the breaking point I feel is a little to late

Now suggesting that if you are unvaccinated you can’t go into public. I’m gonna say that segregation 2.0 isn’t a good option in America

Segregation was based on the color of a person's skin, something they were born with that is ultimately meaningless. Not allowing people to put others in danger because they don't want to get a free, safe, thoroughly tested vaccine for a serious illness isn't even close to the same thing.

Josh M. wrote:

Miathan wrote:

Josh M. wrote: It's not taking away religious freedoms. They don't have to get the vaccine, they need to get the vaccine to go to the public school and be around other kids in that public school. Someone's rights end where they interfere with someone else's. That line is fuzzy and requires interpretation. If I sincerely believe that having AIDS is the way to get to heaven and I should be spreading it as much as possible, I'm not going to be able to do that legally even though stopping me curtails my ability to practice my religion publicly. I don't think going unvaccinated is the same thing as deliberately trying to spread AIDS, but it is something that puts other people around you at risk. If you want to be unvaccinated in private spaces or in sacred spaces to you knock yourself out, just don't put the public at large at risk.

Part of the problem is that we have allowed the anti vax/ religious exempt movement to exist for a while now with far more deadly and far more infectious diseases around that we currently have vaccines for, so to say this is the breaking point I feel is a little to late

Now suggesting that if you are unvaccinated you can’t go into public. I’m gonna say that segregation 2.0 isn’t a good option in America

Segregation was based on the color of a person's skin, something they were born with that is ultimately meaningless. Not allowing people to put others in danger because they don't want to get a free, safe, thoroughly tested vaccine for a serious illness isn't even close to the same thing.

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balthasar wrote: There are no major religions that have objections to the Covid vaccinations. Anyone claiming one is most likely making something up that isn't endorsed by their belief system.

At risk of adding a log to the Objectionists' fire, not exactly... www.cacatholic.org/CCC-vaccine-moral-acceptability

Bottom line - AZ and J&J are debatable ethically, but Vatican says COVID-19 vaccines are "morally acceptable". (So use Pfizer or Moderna if concerned.)

Josh M. wrote:

Miathan wrote:

Josh M. wrote: It's not taking away religious freedoms. They don't have to get the vaccine, they need to get the vaccine to go to the public school and be around other kids in that public school. Someone's rights end where they interfere with someone else's. That line is fuzzy and requires interpretation. If I sincerely believe that having AIDS is the way to get to heaven and I should be spreading it as much as possible, I'm not going to be able to do that legally even though stopping me curtails my ability to practice my religion publicly. I don't think going unvaccinated is the same thing as deliberately trying to spread AIDS, but it is something that puts other people around you at risk. If you want to be unvaccinated in private spaces or in sacred spaces to you knock yourself out, just don't put the public at large at risk.

Part of the problem is that we have allowed the anti vax/ religious exempt movement to exist for a while now with far more deadly and far more infectious diseases around that we currently have vaccines for, so to say this is the breaking point I feel is a little to late

Now suggesting that if you are unvaccinated you can’t go into public. I’m gonna say that segregation 2.0 isn’t a good option in America

Segregation was based on the color of a person's skin, something they were born with that is ultimately meaningless. Not allowing people to put others in danger because they don't want to get a free, safe, thoroughly tested vaccine for a serious illness isn't even close to the same thing.

Yeah segregation based on religion probably has never happened in world history and if it has I’m sure it all worked out in the end