TOPIC: Imitation is flattery I guess

There's +1 weapons and armor. Those are like $20? Then there's some special armor stuff and then a tier of $40 pins that's like... +treasure at the end of a run, free healing, or changing rolls.

When my group finished the adventure, we got to each pick any pin except the free healing/roll changer charms, because of the completion score we had.

Matthew Hayward wrote: What's an example of what a pin does?

+1 to STR?

+1 to hit
+1 to ac
1 extra treasure token pin
Reroll 1s

I think the Kickstarter runs another day or two. They had images of the pins on there

Fiddy wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: What's an example of what a pin does?

+1 to STR?

+1 to hit
+1 to ac
1 extra treasure token pin
Reroll 1s

I think the Kickstarter runs another day or two. They had images of the pins on there

What is the Kickstarter?

Anthony Barnstable wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: What's an example of what a pin does?

+1 to STR?

+1 to hit
+1 to ac
1 extra treasure token pin
Reroll 1s

I think the Kickstarter runs another day or two. They had images of the pins on there

What is the Kickstarter?

I'm guessing this is the one?
www.kickstarter.com/projects/497057119/rpex-full-scale-dungeon-adventure?ref=nav_search&result=project&term=Cosmo%20Joe

Is it wrong that I'm tempted to buy the Relic (Relic & Artifact seem interchangeable) Level Kickstarter? And that the Relic/Artifact would involve lots of extra loot for me and two friends?

I see that they have already capped the bonus treasure items - so far it seems the Unicorn Charms grant bonus pins, and they don't stack.

Mike Steele wrote: Is it wrong that I'm tempted to buy the Relic (Relic & Artifact seem interchangeable) Level Kickstarter? And that the Relic/Artifact would involve lots of extra loot for me and two friends?

I see that they have already capped the bonus treasure items - so far it seems the Unicorn Charms grant bonus pins, and they don't stack.

Not gonna lie, I considered the artifact level pledge just because of how artifacts worked in TD, but IMO it’s to much money to gamble on a system that’s still so nebulously defined/has only been run twice when there are token 2020 token orders to take care of first

Picc wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Is it wrong that I'm tempted to buy the Relic (Relic & Artifact seem interchangeable) Level Kickstarter? And that the Relic/Artifact would involve lots of extra loot for me and two friends?

I see that they have already capped the bonus treasure items - so far it seems the Unicorn Charms grant bonus pins, and they don't stack.

Not gonna lie, I considered the artifact level pledge just because of how artifacts worked in TD, but IMO it’s to much money to gamble on a system that’s still so nebulously defined/has only been run twice when there are token 2020 token orders to take care of first

Same here. I also think I would be more inclined to fund them more if they had already met their fundraising threshold and we were just running up the score for stretch goals.

Picc wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Is it wrong that I'm tempted to buy the Relic (Relic & Artifact seem interchangeable) Level Kickstarter? And that the Relic/Artifact would involve lots of extra loot for me and two friends?

I see that they have already capped the bonus treasure items - so far it seems the Unicorn Charms grant bonus pins, and they don't stack.

Not gonna lie, I considered the artifact level pledge just because of how artifacts worked in TD, but IMO it’s to much money to gamble on a system that’s still so nebulously defined/has only been run twice when there are token 2020 token orders to take care of first

Artifact does seem high until I remember what I have spent on tokens..lol. Need to see if Fiddy wants to do thirdsie with me....lol.

jedibcg wrote:

Picc wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Is it wrong that I'm tempted to buy the Relic (Relic & Artifact seem interchangeable) Level Kickstarter? And that the Relic/Artifact would involve lots of extra loot for me and two friends?

I see that they have already capped the bonus treasure items - so far it seems the Unicorn Charms grant bonus pins, and they don't stack.

Not gonna lie, I considered the artifact level pledge just because of how artifacts worked in TD, but IMO it’s to much money to gamble on a system that’s still so nebulously defined/has only been run twice when there are token 2020 token orders to take care of first

Artifact does seem high until I remember what I have spent on tokens..lol. Need to see if Fiddy wants to do thirdsie with me....lol.

If you go in with two other people, you can each get an artifact for $333 each. That's a bargain - I'm really considering it, and I've never played the game before.

jedibcg wrote:

Picc wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Is it wrong that I'm tempted to buy the Relic (Relic & Artifact seem interchangeable) Level Kickstarter? And that the Relic/Artifact would involve lots of extra loot for me and two friends?

I see that they have already capped the bonus treasure items - so far it seems the Unicorn Charms grant bonus pins, and they don't stack.

Not gonna lie, I considered the artifact level pledge just because of how artifacts worked in TD, but IMO it’s to much money to gamble on a system that’s still so nebulously defined/has only been run twice when there are token 2020 token orders to take care of first

Artifact does seem high until I remember what I have spent on tokens..lol. Need to see Fiddy wants to do thirdsie with me....lol.

Over all I feel like the pin cost felt high. I think one of the things TD does better is provide a path to the madness. I remember hearing what people spent on token builds when I started playing TD in 2011 and thinking “Man there is no way I would spend hundreds of dollars on tokens, that’s nuts.” But I was happy to make some trades out of my starter/treasure draws and at least get a common set of gear (armor, rings/necklace, weapon (there were less slots back then)). This stage was basically free.
Then I got to thinking there are a few generically useful rares that I could have for a couple bucks each that are useful for all classes (ogre power, +2 saves cloak, +1 saves ioun, etc). Then “Hey I can almost play any class, I should just grab some heavy armor/fighter only weapon/etc”. You can see where this is going. TE’s come next if you’re only going to have 1 UR, then if you have 1, why not a few more. My wife teases me about it frequently.
My point is we balked at $20-$40 pins after not batting an eye at multiple $100 poker chips. The water may have started a little too hot. A few throw away common pins would have helped bridge the gap.

I also wonder if they might not be better off combining the enamel pins idea with the item cards and just making cheaper text based pins similar to our survivor pins. I should probably just post this in the RpEx playtest facebook group.

jedibcg wrote:

Picc wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Is it wrong that I'm tempted to buy the Relic (Relic & Artifact seem interchangeable) Level Kickstarter? And that the Relic/Artifact would involve lots of extra loot for me and two friends?

I see that they have already capped the bonus treasure items - so far it seems the Unicorn Charms grant bonus pins, and they don't stack.

Not gonna lie, I considered the artifact level pledge just because of how artifacts worked in TD, but IMO it’s to much money to gamble on a system that’s still so nebulously defined/has only been run twice when there are token 2020 token orders to take care of first

Artifact does seem high until I remember what I have spent on tokens..lol. Need to see if Fiddy wants to do thirdsie with me....lol.

Hmmm....

Mike Steele wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Picc wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Is it wrong that I'm tempted to buy the Relic (Relic & Artifact seem interchangeable) Level Kickstarter? And that the Relic/Artifact would involve lots of extra loot for me and two friends?

I see that they have already capped the bonus treasure items - so far it seems the Unicorn Charms grant bonus pins, and they don't stack.

Not gonna lie, I considered the artifact level pledge just because of how artifacts worked in TD, but IMO it’s to much money to gamble on a system that’s still so nebulously defined/has only been run twice when there are token 2020 token orders to take care of first

Artifact does seem high until I remember what I have spent on tokens..lol. Need to see if Fiddy wants to do thirdsie with me....lol.

If you go in with two other people, you can each get an artifact for $333 each. That's a bargain - I'm really considering it, and I've never played the game before.

what artifact would we build? I would think something like
Dark Pact
Slotless – so it won’t get in the way.
Holder always get Max treasure +1 - so it doesn’t get lapped while the rules are in flux
You are always considered to have scored a perfect score – Since as I understand it your score limits your treasure choices.
This item is transferable - So you can pass it along when your done.