TOPIC: *SPOILERS* Star Wars The Force Awakens discussion

I agree about Ewoks. They are spawns of Satan. I have long planned on them being horrific beasts in my Gamma World RPG game.

Saying that, I was talking about the movie with co-workers, and said how much the opening sequence of Rey scavenging in the Star Destroyer reminded me of the book Red Sails in the Fallout, by Paul Kidd where the main characters Shaani and Xoota are scavenging in an old ship freighter now buried in the desert sand. Obscure I know, but a co worker said he thought the idea that the lightsaber choosing Rey was very Harry Potter where the wand chose the bearer.

I thought that interesting.

But all told I very much enjoyed TFA. It felt comfortable, yet new. Admittedly I have not been a devotee of Star Wars canon since the prequel debacle, so it is all new to me. I am glad JJ Abrams kept the good parts of the feel of the movie while dropping the annoying Lucas scene breaks. I liked the grittiness, the sounds of combat and the impacts of the blasts. It would have been nice to see more wounded and prisoners though.

It would be cool to find out exactly what being a stormtrooper is like. Do they have friends, an esprit de corps? Did Finn lose his friend on the opening attack where he broke? It seemed so to me. Plus it seemed other troopers knew who he was. I assume stormtroopers are trained on many martial styles, as to why he picked up the lightsaber and was quite proficient. That would be training kicking in I assume. But what do the troopers do, or how do they associate with one another, or are they forbidden to do so?

Maybe those more versed in the 'verse know.

There is a book (I think it is Before the Awakening) that deals with FN-2187 before he became Finn. And yes that was a friend of his so to speak. There is also a theory that the Stormtrooper that called him traitor was one of his squad buddies. It does seem a bit more personal, in the fact that he decides not to use his blaster but instead wants to beat him with his staff-thingy.

I see a tie in with the cartoon series coming. You start to see the Stormtrooper squad in its early stages and training. Maybe working sanitation on a new weapon construction.

valetutto wrote: So my take.
Kylo Ren was not trained very well, that was obvious as there was mention of "completing his training".
It was also mentioned that Luke was initially training him and he betrayed Luke and went to the dark side.
Also remember that Luke Himself had very shoddy training as ne never really completed it but lets assume at some point in the 30 years he perfected a few things and did some training of others.
Clearly Kylo Ren can do the force freeze power as we've seem him do it very well several times but other force powers leave a lot to be desired. He is obviously very strong as he took a shot from the bowcaster and survived where near hits were killing troopers in armor. Easy to say the guy is tough.
He is very conflicted dealing with his light side and he tries to resolve that but I suspect its not all gone yet. He does try and draw upon some pain, by aggravating his wound punching it several times.
His saber fighting skills do suck though. That said he could have killed Rey a few times and chose not to because he was trying to turn her. He underestimated her power which lead to his defeat. This is very "sith" they often underestimate their opponents.

Kylo Ren's name before turning evil is Ben, as a tribute to Ben Kenobi.

Rey is Luke's kid. All the pieces add up to this. Sorry Zhon novel fans. I know the books were good but they aren't cannon any more they are now classified as "legacy" expect a few things from them but they will for now on be 'wrong'. Clearly Han Solo knew who she was as he told Maz Kanata, who slightly cryptically tried to tell her the truth.

The lightsaber is neat and I'm not completely sold on a theory yet but I have a couple.
So the ragged uncontrolled Sith blade could just be a neat distinguishing factor between sith and Jedi. The blade matching the user as Jedi are refined and controlled and sith are wild and emotional.
OR
Kylo's saber could be of very poor design.
Its been suggested the "cross-guard" is actually just an exhaust port to keep the crappy saber from overheating. How he came about this saber I'm sure we will learn but I highly doubt Luke taught him to make it like this, so either someone else did or he made it himself. Remember we know Luke knows how to make a saber.

It's purely spectate at this point when to fighting or fighting / with extension of oneself as two become one or fighting / with extension of oneself as two become one / with the disciple of concentrations or fighting / with extension of oneself as two become one / with the disciple of concentrations / while being wounded or fighting / with extension of oneself as two become one / with the disciple of concentrations / while being wounded under anew ((2nd)behind Luke were 1st) apprenticeship of a betting called by the anew unknown original of this Sith lord as holographic only. While Luke were humble labor as farmer family to apprenticeship to Jedi knight, while his father, Alkin were as we all know had the 2nd not to recent off trilogy as being mislead toward by the dark side, while Luke were to be reluctance out of the murder of his foster parent uncle and aunt in law. Just like Bruce Wayne would had done for his parent and many of the parallel justify to be in the good side in a dark conflict overall theme as Wars does do repeatedly as sinister one or collectors as join force to play the parts of the role/s.

It seem that Rey can adopt or adsorption trade from visional to mental memorization with physical aptitude to as one sync for a quick and efficiency naturally without inheritance time of explain reasons or purposes or knowing via by other experienced for it to desire usage.

While Rey's brother use extreme angry to use it to extreme focus by old ways of disciple as Barbarian 's berserk rage would get enough through the battle, but not the whole war.

Sincere,

Eversuede

Please check on my resolve of my opinion as reflection among other as range of critic go....


Eversuede

huh?

Lordoftherealm wrote: huh?

LOTR, Eversuede has a hard time communicating after being injured protecting his country. He's a solid guy, though, and has some interesting insights. It's worth reading his stuff if you have the time to piece together what he's saying. Not always easy, but worth it.

Lemme see if I can translate Eversuede's previous post (my own comments included in blue):

It’s pure speculation at this point, but
while fighting, the two become one (I think Eversuede means the lightsaber, and the one wielding it) and Kylo Ren had been wounded by the bowcaster shot (which might be an explanation for his poor lightsaber control? Or just that the lightsaber is poorly controlled because Kylo Ren’s mind is poorly controlled, with his poor discipline and concentration) which could explain how he (supposedly a trained apprentice in the ways of the force) is beaten by a novice.

There’s also the question of this new Sith Lord, who we see in holographic form, only.

(My guess is that Eversuede, is pointing out, like a few other StarWars Theorists, that we don’t really know who this guy is, or how well he trained his apprentice, or what his plans for Kylo are… there might be some significant gaps in his education.)

While Luke went from a humble laborer on a farm with his family, to apprenticeship to a Jedi Knight, we all know (from the previous trilogy) that his father Anakin was more easily led to the dark side. Luke, however, showed reluctance in the face of his Aunt & Uncle’s murder.

Just like Bruce Wayne loses his parents & decides to fight on the side of good, but was caught in a dark conflict, we see the same themes in Star Wars; as one or a collection of individuals are forced into playing a role (which they might not want to play?)

It seems that Rey can adapt or absorb information quickly, from mental (memorization) to her physical aptitudes, it seems very natural to her (not sure if “inheritance” implies she’s inherited this skill) without needing time or experience to get better at a skill - merely by wanting to do it.

While Rey’s brother (I’m assuming Kylo Ren, here) is extremely angry, and uses the force/focuses his force through more barbaric ways, like a berserk rage, to get him through the battle, leaving himself vulnerable in the longer term (for the war).

Sincerely,

Eversuede
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Please feel free to comment on or critique my opinions

I hope I came close to what you were trying to say, Eversuede.
I've definitely seen other fan-based theories running along the same lines.

Raven wrote:

Lordoftherealm wrote: huh?

LOTR, Eversuede has a hard time communicating after being injured protecting his country. He's a solid guy, though, and has some interesting insights. It's worth reading his stuff if you have the time to piece together what he's saying. Not always easy, but worth it.

Lemme see if I can translate Eversuede's previous post (my own comments included in blue):

It’s pure speculation at this point, but
while fighting, the two become one (I think Eversuede means the lightsaber, and the one wielding it) and Kylo Ren had been wounded by the bowcaster shot (which might be an explanation for his poor lightsaber control? Or just that the lightsaber is poorly controlled because Kylo Ren’s mind is poorly controlled, with his poor discipline and concentration) which could explain how he (supposedly a trained apprentice in the ways of the force) is beaten by a novice.Like many of us has multitask and the tended to be over welling or potential accident-pose as many are capped to our limitation as such, but has been done with proper training focus excising as practice make it possible to be closer to being perfect one can get without being perfect, which not humanly possible or maybe in the future or other life-form than earthlings. Correct approach as human physic condition.

There’s also the question of this new Sith Lord, who we see in holographic form, only.

(My guess is that Eversuede, is pointing out, like a few other StarWars Theorists, that we don’t really know who this guy is, or how well he trained his apprentice, or what his plans for Kylo are… there might be some significant gaps in his education.)

While Luke went from a humble laborer on a farm with his family, to apprenticeship to a Jedi Knight, we all know (from the previous trilogy) that his father Anakin was more easily led to the dark side. Luke, however, showed reluctance in the face of his Aunt & Uncle’s murder.

Just like Bruce Wayne loses his parents & decides to fight on the side of good, but was caught in a dark conflict, we see the same themes in Star Wars; as one or a collection of individuals are forced into playing a role (which they might not want to play?) As vengeance/revenge/as the only mean of contributing, but one does not take out on mother nature/mass appeal/stacking the odd against oneself without the support or pillars as some form of leverage to evening to consider if it's doable with reliable source stated. Then this will be correct as well.

It seems that Rey can adapt or absorb information quickly, from mental (memorization) to her physical aptitudes, it seems very natural to her (not sure if “inheritance” implies she’s inherited this skill) without needing time or experience to get better at a skill - merely by wanting to do it.if you had see or read many resource like T.V. show "Heroes"/comic book as the character as the "taskmaster" or as nationality of orient descend has demonstrated as their history has pass it on culturally as samurai/ ninjas and verily rarely the few highly genius or endow person can accomplish this feat. under the right circumstance. But as many this is science-fiction as the more chloroform one's had could possible to manipulate the force to their will's if you realize that was meant for that as reasoning were to be understood, then receive another as point of view or other version perception. Then that will be corrected assumption to follow.

While Rey’s brother (I’m assuming Kylo Ren, here) is extremely angry, and uses the force/focuses his force through more barbaric ways, like a berserk rage, to get him through the battle, leaving himself vulnerable in the longer term (for the war).

Sincerely,

Eversuede
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Please feel free to comment on or critique my opinions

I hope I came close to what you were trying to say, Eversuede.
I've definitely seen other fan-based theories running along the same lines.

We're all come to the same conclusion, but different ways of saying it as along that lines as reflect one background and familiar common subjects relate to this one. Thanks Raven, but sorry about the communicate as written format as I try not over appeal this case in point as I stated as one reflect on it may not get the jest of it as science angle as many science subject are hard to express manner could share with other.

Sincere,

Eversuede

Eversuede,

My apologies I did not mean to come across as crass... I was a tad confused, might had been to no sleep. I meant no disrespect.

I do believe that the Kylo's "master" is one of two things....

1. Lord Pestilence, The Emporer's master (that has found how to overcome death)... finally showing himself, even though he remains hidden.

2. Lord Pestilence has learned the same skill that Obi-one, Quigon, did and have transcended life to live as a force ghost albeit an evil one.

I guess I believe it to be the same person, but two different forms. I do not believe it to be Lord Bane though...

When I first heard about the movie I thought it was gonna be about leia and her force powers awaking.

jon wrote: When I first heard about the movie I thought it was gonna be about leia and her force powers awaking.

They kind of did, when she sensed what happened between Kylo and Hans.