TOPIC: 2024 Rare Token Images < SUPER FINAL IMAGES !

The Rares are far from rare...they are done! Thank you to all the awesome Forumites who whipped these into shape.

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Clarification. For Bracelets of Arcane Sight does that Spell damage bonus still apply to scrolls as was asked in earlier iterations?

Thanks, Jeff! Did we overcorrect on the damage on Trollform? Druids are pretty far down the food chain as far as dealing damage, it's OK if it's a bit more powerful. Maybe bump it back up to 8.5 average damage (I think it's 7.5 now)?

I'm still hoping Iktomi's is upgraded soon so that it isn't outshined by a rare Totem plus a neck slot Strength/damage booster.

Thank you for closing the infinite HP glitch with Trollform. With the wheel adjustment on Trollform and Savage I assume this means we aren't jumping as high with the next set of weapons to reset the tiers?

Mike Steele wrote: Thanks, Jeff! Did we overcorrect on the damage on Trollform? Druids are pretty far down the food chain as far as dealing damage, it's OK if it's a bit more powerful. Maybe bump it back up to 8.5 average damage (I think it's 7.5 now)?

I wouldn't really say that. The higher in rarity you go, Druid eventually passes Barbarian and land in 3rd place for most damage (4th depending what kind of crit rate you attribute to an assassin's crossbow rogue). Even at a 10 UR build, the druid damage really starts adding up.

Endgame wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Thanks, Jeff! Did we overcorrect on the damage on Trollform? Druids are pretty far down the food chain as far as dealing damage, it's OK if it's a bit more powerful. Maybe bump it back up to 8.5 average damage (I think it's 7.5 now)?

I wouldn't really say that. The higher in rarity you go, Druid eventually passes Barbarian and land in 3rd place for most damage (4th depending what kind of crit rate you attribute to an assassin's crossbow rogue). Even at a 10 UR build, the druid damage really starts adding up.

If you ignore an appropriate amount of hit, saves, AC, and HP. also I would be very curious about the Wizard spell sequences and number of combat rounds you are using for that comparison.

OrionW wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Thanks, Jeff! Did we overcorrect on the damage on Trollform? Druids are pretty far down the food chain as far as dealing damage, it's OK if it's a bit more powerful. Maybe bump it back up to 8.5 average damage (I think it's 7.5 now)?

I wouldn't really say that. The higher in rarity you go, Druid eventually passes Barbarian and land in 3rd place for most damage (4th depending what kind of crit rate you attribute to an assassin's crossbow rogue). Even at a 10 UR build, the druid damage really starts adding up.

If you ignore an appropriate amount of hit, saves, AC, and HP. also I would be very curious about the Wizard spell sequences and number of combat rounds you are using for that comparison.

Agreed, I have a hard time believing Druids can outpace Wizards, Rangers, or Monks for damage in top level builds. Mid-Level build comparisons don't seem all that meaningful to me, because of the wide variance in how they can be built and what could be a fair comparison from class to class.

Mike Steele wrote: Thanks, Jeff! Did we overcorrect on the damage on Trollform? Druids are pretty far down the food chain as far as dealing damage, it's OK if it's a bit more powerful. Maybe bump it back up to 8.5 average damage (I think it's 7.5 now)?

I'm still hoping Iktomi's is upgraded soon so that it isn't outshined by a rare Totem plus a neck slot Strength/damage booster.

As presented, it's average 8, which is more than the two-handed +1 Heavy Axe (6.5) and one-handed +1 Sword of Seth (5.375), at the cost of missing +1 to-hit and being 1/game

I don't have time to merge the charts, but here it is.

Wizard
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Druid
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Your Druid build is not going to able to crit in all 4 rooms (maybe 2/4), saves should really be 20+ in all three categories for all of your builds, and I think the HPs and Hit are a little low, but tack on Harlax and Awakened synergy and the HPs would be OK.

Your Wizard would need a lot less tinkering as the saves and HPs are higher.

OrionW wrote: Your Druid build is not going to able to crit in all 4 rooms (maybe 2/4), saves should really be 20+ in all three categories for all of your builds, and I think the HPs and Hit are a little low, but tack on Harlax and Awakened synergy and the HPs would be OK.

Your Wizard would need a lot less tinkering as the saves and HPs are higher.

The druid also retains the ability to heal and isn't burning piles of HP to cast. Swap CoAS for fire newt on druid (Wizard already has CoAS) and Druid HP will be be up to 7 below Wizard

NightGod wrote:

OrionW wrote: Your Druid build is not going to able to crit in all 4 rooms (maybe 2/4), saves should really be 20+ in all three categories for all of your builds, and I think the HPs and Hit are a little low, but tack on Harlax and Awakened synergy and the HPs would be OK.

Your Wizard would need a lot less tinkering as the saves and HPs are higher.

The druid also retains the ability to heal and isn't burning piles of HP to cast. Swap CoAS for fire newt on druid (Wizard already has CoAS) and Druid HP will be be up to 7 below Wizard

But who is the Druid healing? Probably the Wizard (maybe instead of attacking, so less damage)… I just don’t see this as a compelling argument. If these builds are going to keep coming up in these threads they should have a more similar baseline of common saves and hit points. Too many different fruits in the basket right now.