TOPIC: Safehold Program Targeted Feedback on Rules > Part THREE

Kusig wrote:

Endgame wrote: Based on the past 2 years of token design, it seems the main advantage of the Mythic CoA (free up bead slots) is going to matter a lot less because an expander seems inevitable.

And no doubt the bead expander will be much cheaper overall.

The three slots this frees up will still be great no matter what slot expanders are introduced. This will still let you equip three beads that you otherwise wouldn't be able to equip, no matter what slot expanders you also have.

Mike Steele wrote:

Kusig wrote:

Endgame wrote: Based on the past 2 years of token design, it seems the main advantage of the Mythic CoA (free up bead slots) is going to matter a lot less because an expander seems inevitable.

And no doubt the bead expander will be much cheaper overall.

The three slots this frees up will still be great no matter what slot expanders are introduced. This will still let you equip three beads that you otherwise wouldn't be able to equip, no matter what slot expanders you also have.

Correct -the mythic will free up 3 beads and 1 charm no matter what. For $5,000+, though, I'd just take the slot expander to get beads that way and not worry about the extra +1 treasure.

Now, if the only way to get open the bead slot again was the Mythic CoA, I'd reconsider my opinion on making it.

Mike Steele wrote:

Matt wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote:

Matt wrote: Is there any plan for having access to 6th lvl class cards besides Safehold I down the road? Very much a feel bad if it's going to be locked purely to Safehold.

Not sure, honestly. It would be hard to make folks give tons of tokens to get 6th level and then a few years later make it easier.

Maybe use 2 lvl enhancements vs 1 (safehold) to get there as an alternate way for folks to play the 6th lvl class cards? I suspect/afraid of that without the Safehold access/way to get to 6th lvl it'll be a why bother to even play at higher tiers.

Maybe make it the five item Arcanum Set Bonus also? Transmuting five Multi-Year Arcanum tokens isn't really easier than making a SafeHold I and a Mythic token, and it won't be available until well after the Mythic tokens are. That gives big token buyers a quicker route with one slot required, and slow and steady token buyers a longer route with five slots required. If you announce it before Safeholds are available for transmuting everyone will be making fully informed decisions.

I really love this idea.

Note: The Follower’s extra slot benefit DOES stack
with any other magic item -- if one does exist.

This feels okay if for example the bead expander comes back next year but takes the same slot as Luna's. In that case these are a neat way to get a bead or 2 charms if you chose the other option. If we don't see expanders sharing slots this will cause a subset of these to likely not see much play. With that said, they are adorable and I can see myself trying to collect all of them given enough time even if I don't use them all.

Are there considerations for those of us who are international? In addition to the cost of import duties piling up from the back-and-forth trips required to upgrade a Safehold, I've also had packages delayed for a long time -- for example, the last box of my preorder this year only arrived in mid-January, and I'm right next to Toronto, Canada! I'm worried that any Safehold I make will be stuck in the mail, meaning I won't be able to enjoy any benefits in VTD or in-person cons if I haven't received them back yet, especially for Tier 2 Mythic tokens!

Ho-Yi Fung wrote: Are there considerations for those of us who are international? In addition to the cost of import duties piling up from the back-and-forth trips required to upgrade a Safehold, I've also had packages delayed for a long time -- for example, the last box of my preorder this year only arrived in mid-January, and I'm right next to Toronto, Canada! I'm worried that any Safehold I make will be stuck in the mail, meaning I won't be able to enjoy any benefits in VTD or in-person cons if I haven't received them back yet, especially for Tier 2 Mythic tokens!

Personally I'm probably going to do most of mine in person. Also 519 checking in lol

Picc wrote:

Ho-Yi Fung wrote: Are there considerations for those of us who are international? In addition to the cost of import duties piling up from the back-and-forth trips required to upgrade a Safehold, I've also had packages delayed for a long time -- for example, the last box of my preorder this year only arrived in mid-January, and I'm right next to Toronto, Canada! I'm worried that any Safehold I make will be stuck in the mail, meaning I won't be able to enjoy any benefits in VTD or in-person cons if I haven't received them back yet, especially for Tier 2 Mythic tokens!

Personally I'm probably going to do most of mine in person. Also 519 checking in lol

GenCon and GameholeCon are in even months so you can't do Safehold under constructions at those conventions.

edwin wrote:

Picc wrote:

Ho-Yi Fung wrote: Are there considerations for those of us who are international? In addition to the cost of import duties piling up from the back-and-forth trips required to upgrade a Safehold, I've also had packages delayed for a long time -- for example, the last box of my preorder this year only arrived in mid-January, and I'm right next to Toronto, Canada! I'm worried that any Safehold I make will be stuck in the mail, meaning I won't be able to enjoy any benefits in VTD or in-person cons if I haven't received them back yet, especially for Tier 2 Mythic tokens!

Personally I'm probably going to do most of mine in person. Also 519 checking in lol

GenCon and GameholeCon are in even months so you can't do Safehold under constructions at those conventions.

I can see the issue here. Maybe it’s something that can be worked out 1:1 if you message Jeff, Grunnel or Druegar. I’m not sure, and I don’t want to say anything that may be taken as it will be, but… I would think that for those outside the USA, the TDA Team may be able to assist depending on the situation, the scenario, and what’s currently doable at that time.

The logic is when the order is made. Make the order in may. Turn in order to gencon in august. Make another order in august and now you have it.

Can an Omni Orb be used in place of an Exalted (4-star) transmute? As of writing, this only applies to the Steelclad Cloak used to make Aron's Sunhide Robe. On a similar note, can it be used in place of an Enhanced transmute, should a future Legendary ever require one?

Widseth's Legendary Lute has two recipes. Can the Omni Orb be used in either? If so, keep the following in mind when determining the recipes:
Recipe 1 requires an additional: 5 AI 5 AP 10 DP 8 DS 10 EM 1 MH 7 MS 7 PS
Recipe 2 requires an additional: 1 Orb 1 EB

Are the Omni Orb and Omni Cube still considered part of the Safehold program? That is, do they belong in this document, and are you restricting yourselves from ever distributing these outside of the transmute program?

Unpopular opinion I'm sure but I think with the current slots listed for followers that at Safehold 1 allowing 2 followers isn't bad.

Pitching an idea on Safeholds and ghost tickets.

Say 5 players and 5 ghost - allow Safehold followers to have an underling, etc for a total of 5 extra on the run among the 5 players and only apply it to Safeholds V thru III.