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TOPIC: 2024 Token Images - Volunteer and Participation Tokens

2024 Token Images - Volunteer and Participation Tokens 1 year 3 months ago #25

Volunteer UR token should not be equal to:

tokendb.com/token/master-ale-drinkers-bead/

Unless the end goal is 10+ bead slots with expanders making them equivalent to charms.
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2024 Token Images - Volunteer and Participation Tokens 1 year 3 months ago #26

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I love the idea of getting more use of of the psychic powers, and a collection aspect is awsome.

I'm neutral on the vol token, not because it doesn't feel powerful enough but because it feels very the same to what we've seen before. Maybe a focus item, vol only safehold follower , a multi year collectable to insensitive repeat physical volunteering.
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2024 Token Images - Volunteer and Participation Tokens 1 year 3 months ago #27

I still think the psychic transmute should be moved from ring. Maybe a headslot crown? Ring has so much competition right now for newer players. Ring of heroism, the 5 year circle rings, +6 saves transmute rings, even +2 dmg rings.
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2024 Token Images - Volunteer and Participation Tokens 1 year 3 months ago #28

Keldgar wrote: I still think the psychic transmute should be moved from ring. Maybe a headslot crown? Ring has so much competition right now for newer players. Ring of heroism, the 5 year circle rings, +6 saves transmute rings, even +2 dmg rings.

Head would block armor sets. There are 2 ring slots so it’s better than head. Could put it in ear as an alternative, but I still think ring is better.
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2024 Token Images - Volunteer and Participation Tokens 1 year 3 months ago #29

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Keldgar wrote: I still think the psychic transmute should be moved from ring. Maybe a headslot crown? Ring has so much competition right now for newer players. Ring of heroism, the 5 year circle rings, +6 saves transmute rings, even +2 dmg rings.

Head would block armor sets. There are 2 ring slots so it’s better than head. Could put it in ear as an alternative, but I still think ring is better.

Plus there’s the Earcuff of glory ( 4 rings ) in 3 years I believe
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2024 Token Images - Volunteer and Participation Tokens 1 year 3 months ago #30

Keldgar wrote: I still think the psychic transmute should be moved from ring. Maybe a headslot crown? Ring has so much competition right now for newer players. Ring of heroism, the 5 year circle rings, +6 saves transmute rings, even +2 dmg rings.


Thematically I do like the crown, I am imagining crown with a giant eye worked into the front of it. Another option would be a bead, as it would would have a nice synergy with the UR belt for a newer player.

It might also be with a new +1 level set bonus coming out that is usable by all classes this might reduce the use of Ring of Heroism and open up a slot there as well (making the current form a a ring less onerous) .
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2024 Token Images - Volunteer and Participation Tokens 1 year 3 months ago #31

Current Vol Token Observations:

1) lots of vols were disappointed by the pants of the panther. It was released right after the Kilt of Dungeon Bane and while it was balanced appropriately for a UR, dungeonbane's cheap cost meant the value of PotP fell through the floor and didn't make it into many builds.

2) The number of events means, as currently designed, the value of the vol tokens falls throughout the year. For vols that want to resell, it's most desirable to work the early in the year VTDs and not do the late in the year stuff like GHC or a dec VTD.

3) While powerful vol tokens will resolve problem 1, they will still drop in value as the year progresses and more are released per number 2.

4)Powerful vol tokens warp the expected power / meaning of "rare" and "ultra rare". I've had multiple new players get very confused why some rare tokens cost so much and are so hard to obtain until the whole vol token thing is explained. It's not complex, but it's confusing without background.

5) persistently releasing very powerful vol tokens at the same rarity could also cause a creep cycle that devalues vol tokens. If next years tokens will creep this years, why buy / volunteer to get this years?

Possible solution.

Create a vol token transmute. Let's take the 2023 charms as an example:

instead of 2 charms that deal +3 damage to all attack modes, create:
+3 damage melee on an Onyx back
+3 damage spell on an Onyx back
+3 damage missile on an Onyx back

transmute uses all 3 vol tokens. Yields a +3 damage all relic.


How does this address the problem?
1) The vol URs are at least somewhat recognizable as something special being on onyx backs instead of the more common gold back.s

2) The Vol tokens push the rarity at UR, but they only focus on a single damage method, so they don't completely break it. That means they don't directly outclass things like Draco-Lich charm.

3) End state is that you can still get +6 damage in for character's preferred damage type, but instead of buying 2 Vol tokens to get that, you have to buy 4. This would help sustain value through a year.

Possible 2024 set option

Create 3 Vol UR Iouns at +3 save to an individual save.
Create the Vol rares at +2 to each save.

Use all of the rares and URs to create a relic Ioun that is +4 all saves.
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2024 Token Images - Volunteer and Participation Tokens 1 year 3 months ago #32

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Endgame wrote: Current Vol Token Observations:
Possible solution.

Create a vol token transmute. Let's take the 2023 charms as an example:

instead of 2 charms that deal +3 damage to all attack modes, create:
+3 damage melee on an Onyx back
+3 damage spell on an Onyx back
+3 damage missile on an Onyx back

transmute uses all 3 vol tokens. Yields a +3 damage all relic.


How does this address the problem?
1) The vol URs are at least somewhat recognizable as something special being on onyx backs instead of the more common gold back.s

2) The Vol tokens push the rarity at UR, but they only focus on a single damage method, so they don't completely break it. That means they don't directly outclass things like Draco-Lich charm.

3) End state is that you can still get +6 damage in for character's preferred damage type, but instead of buying 2 Vol tokens to get that, you have to buy 4. This would help sustain value through a year.

Possible 2024 set option

Create 3 Vol UR Iouns at +3 save to an individual save.
Create the Vol rares at +2 to each save.

Use all of the rares and URs to create a relic Ioun that is +4 all saves.

+100 I really like this idea
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2024 Token Images - Volunteer and Participation Tokens 1 year 3 months ago #33

Endgame wrote: Possible 2024 set option

Create 3 Vol UR Iouns at +3 save to an individual save.
Create the Vol rares at +2 to each save.

Use all of the rares and URs to create a relic Ioun that is +4 all saves.


I like this idea.

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Acherin wrote: I also added VTD support for the most annoying token of 2024 the +2 Sun Scimitar.

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2024 Token Images - Volunteer and Participation Tokens 1 year 3 months ago #34

I think I mentioned this as a suggestion last year, but I think another possible solution is to just create volunteer UR GP bars. They will always hold their value and be resellable, always be useful to volunteers to save for transmutes, and avoid any questions over power creep on volunteer tokens.
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2024 Token Images - Volunteer and Participation Tokens 1 year 3 months ago #35

I think adding a relic level transmute would hurt the value of the volunteer URs. The current charms are going for ~ $325 which is a huge incentive to volunteer. If you cut this value my concern is you get less volunteers and we all get less in person TD (and possibly VTD as well).

I would rather to see a small bump to what was proposed and persevere the current system which seems to be working.

If someone is going to take their time so I can have an awesome weekend of gaming they should be rewarded. 😀
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2024 Token Images - Volunteer and Participation Tokens 1 year 3 months ago #36

Someone had proposed a modest bead expander to start with as a volunteer token and maybe this would be a good place to start. Change the volunteer ear cuff to a bead expander and delay the legendary bead expander and I think most would be happy.
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