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Why plus damage for 2H only for wings?

Lequinian wrote: Why plus damage for 2H only for wings?

I think the intent is to prevent the wings from becoming too attractive to 1H attackers, especially monk and ranger. That said, I'm personally fine with the wings are is now, though the ability could maybe be 1/room.

Powerblade3 wrote:

Lequinian wrote: Why plus damage for 2H only for wings?

I think the intent is to prevent the wings from becoming too attractive to 1H attackers, especially monk and ranger. That said, I'm personally fine with the wings are is now, though the ability could maybe be 1/room.

Exactly this. When that call for token ideas came out, I had been mulling over ideas for how to incorporate another +5 2H damage item into the game for variety. I didn’t come up with anything good, so I didn’t suggest anything. The first version of this token filled in the blank and I like it.

After much analysis and number crunching, I have produced the following graph on why we should keep the Troll Shield at +3 / +3 for underperforming Fighters : p

Powerblade3 wrote: After much analysis and number crunching, I have produced the following graph on why we should keep the Troll Shield at +3 / +3 for underperforming Fighters : p

+1

Yeah, the issue with the numbers on the wings was the double hitters.

+2 damage, fighters, barb, paladin only seem fine.

Rob F wrote: Belt of Beads is WAY overpowered.

With three additional slots the UR Belt can become:

+5 to Saves
+3 to Strength
+3 to Dexterity
+3 to Focus

That's beyond even a Legendary Token! I was going to say limit it to 2 extra Beads but honestly I'd just like it scrapped. The last few years we've seen WAY too many slot expanders. Slot expanders are overpowered and not really fun at all. There's no theme to tie to them, no cool ability. Please scrap!

It's not reasonable to count the most powerful tokens that could go into a slot expander as how much they increase power.

You should list out the 6 beads someone will equip, and the power the belt adds is the power of the least desirable 3.

In spite of that, I agree that +2 beads is fine for this.

Rob F wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Rob F wrote: Troll Shield is overpowered.

+3 to AC and +3 to Strength is comparable to the current Relic shield which is +5AC. Suggest lowering the Strength to +2.

+2 str is the orb of might, so for Paladin and Fighter at least they should get something better than just 3 ac tacked onto the orb of Might. +3 str is fine.

I'm looking at Shield compared to other Shields. And it's on par with a Relic. If you wanted to look at other Tokens (which I don't think you should) you could also say the Troll Shield is +3 AC, + another Volunteer UR (Onyx Cube), + a Rare Volunteer (Onyx Sphere) which...is too good.

I agree strongly with Rob about this.

For what it’s worth, I think if you want to compare to other tokens for the shield, choosing the weakest possible slot doesn’t seem like a fair comparison. There are way easier items that give +1 strength than volunteer Ioun Stones. For example, I could say the current Troll Shield is a rare shield (+3 AC) plus half of a regular Ultra Rare (Stu-Pendous Amulet) : p

Pleade consider moving the healing gloves to another slot. Maybe switching their lower with the boots. There are still a pair of UR healing gloves available as pyps this year.

Endgame wrote:

Powerblade3 wrote:

Lequinian wrote: Why plus damage for 2H only for wings?

I think the intent is to prevent the wings from becoming too attractive to 1H attackers, especially monk and ranger. That said, I'm personally fine with the wings are is now, though the ability could maybe be 1/room.

Exactly this. When that call for token ideas came out, I had been mulling over ideas for how to incorporate another +5 2H damage item into the game for variety. I didn’t come up with anything good, so I didn’t suggest anything. The first version of this token filled in the blank and I like it.

When you prevent rangers and monks from going nuts, you prevent fighters from advancing.

I’m all for a 2H token boost of some sort.

But wings looks like a must have in the arsenal. The saves puts it on par with several existing back items.

Lequinian wrote: [
When you prevent rangers and monks from going nuts, you prevent fighters from advancing.

I’m all for a 2H token boost of some sort.

Yes, Human Fighter and Paladin are stuck between a rock and a hard place here.

2H items will always favor Barbarian. 1 hand damage modifier items will favor Monk and Ranger - especially in this case when both Monk and Ranger have better native saves than Human Fighter and can more afford to drop a back saves item for more damage.

The only slot that Human Fighter and Paladin can make some ground up on is melee offhand, but brawlers horn and brawlers mug can only do so much work to close gaps (especially when brawlers horn is usable by both Monk and Ranger).