TOPIC: Safehold Program Targeted Feedback on Rules > Part TWO

Anthony Barnstable wrote: Can I use Omni Orb in lieu of Horn of Plenty in Charm of Avarice transmutes? Which tokens in that recipe can it replace?

This was brought up in earlier revisions and hinted that they'd fix this loophole in the final version.

edwin wrote: You may want to make a restriction on underling elf wizard to scrolls specifically useable by your class otherwise this a relic level ability since the Tomb of Useful Spells an URs was errata to be your class specific scrolls.

I would like the wording to stay the same if possible, It would be nice to be able to access scrolls like bless and cure moderate as well as some utility scrolls if said classes were not present. For a once a game ability it doesn't seem broken to me.

payden wrote:

edwin wrote: You may want to make a restriction on underling elf wizard to scrolls specifically useable by your class otherwise this a relic level ability since the Tomb of Useful Spells an URs was errata to be your class specific scrolls.

I would like the wording to stay the same if possible, It would be nice to be able to access scrolls like bless and cure moderate as well as some utility scrolls if said classes were not present. For a once a game ability it doesn't seem broken to me.

I kinda agree, when I first read the token “ may read a scroll 1/Game “ It really wasn’t anything special. Now it reads “ Any Class may cast an unmodified scroll 1/Game “. Gotta say, kinda excited. Idk what things fall into that realm but as the paladin, I’d love to have this ability. Once per game with an unmodified scroll doesn’t seem broken.

Perhaps instead of Mythic I and Mythic II we could have Mythic and Ascended. We don't need different token backs for them, perhaps we could handle their different rarities by changing text color as we do now. And adding a rarity symbol to make sure we colorblind proof it.

I think having unique names for both tiers helps them feel more special and gives you an easy option to add another difficulty later in life if you feel like you need to

Under the Safehold IV section (page 3), it says

you can only equip one Underling unless you have a Safehold II (or better)

but everywhere else in the file states the second Underling is only allowed with a Safehold I.

Underling Cleric seems to be in a weird spot. Either Undead Touch is nasty in the module and it's basically a slot lock (or pay the token/action tax via potions), or it's a (mostly) dead token. Perhaps it should be changed to +Heals?

"But won't that stack with +Focus from the Underling Wizard?" you may ask. Well, yes, but given that there's concern over +Focus and +Ranged stacking already, I also support changing Underling Wizard to +Spell and Underling Rogue to +Missile to prevent the +Focus/+Ranged double-dipping and my proposed +Focus/+Heals double-dipping, as well as +Focus/+Melee double-dipping from Polymorph builds (which surprisingly does not seem to have been brought up in this thread yet).

Under the Safehold III section (page 4), the statement

Like Hirelings mentioned under Safehold IV

should probably be updated to say Safehold V.

Also, echoing concerns that Follower Fiend is overpowered (since wrists have slot expanders that give multiple slots) and Follower Dragonkin is underpowered, especially since (as per FAQ thread, but nowhere in the document) it does not stack with the bonus Figurine from high CHA.

Under the Trainer Limits (Hirelings, Underlings and Followers) section (page 5), the paragraph that starts with "Since some collectors might want to create a Safehold I" should probably be de-indented, as it currently looks like it's part of the Safehold III rules. The first sentence is also an incomplete clause; that period should probably be a dash instead.

Instead of just the Mythic Tokens never being placed in the Treasure boxes I would suggest never placing ANY of the Safehold Tokens (Safeholds, Followers, Stewards, Transmutes, Omni's, etc.) in the Treasure boxes and stating that in the document.

Rob F wrote: Instead of just the Mythic Tokens never being placed in the Treasure boxes I would suggest never placing ANY of the Safehold Tokens (Safeholds, Followers, Stewards, Transmutes, Omni's, etc.) in the Treasure boxes and stating that in the document.

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I think that was the plan. Earlier it was stated that each lvl gives 5 stewards and 5 max. In order to get more you have to craft another safe hold to that lvl. Each one would give an additional 5 ea. only down is that in 2026, if someone had the ability to “ laterally “ upgrade from V to I you can. You have to craft it, then wait till the next even month I think. The odds and evens plan of construction vs crafting / hiring Followers, Underlings, Hirling and Mythics. However, I agree, it should be in writing in advance and as time pushes forward so no one can say they expected them to be in treasure pulls.

I saw in the FAQ post that:

Follower Dragonkin: This does not stack with the extra figurine slot gained from high Charisma.

I would request that this restriction be lifted, and it provide the same slot expanding effect that UR Psyferre's Spectacles does: Wearer may equip 1 additional Figurine of Power. This perk stacks with the ability to equip a second Figurine of Power from having at least 16 Charisma.

If the Follower Dragonkin can't expand past 2 slots total regardless of user CHA, then it is useless to Bards and Paladins who start with 17 CHA, and to anyone equipping Aaron's Sunhide Robe (except Dwarf Fighters).

I also feel Figurine is by far the least powerful slot being expanded.

If the concern is that we don't want both Psyferre's Spectacles and the Follower Dragonkin to stack with one another, the Dragonkin could be made as:

You may equip up to 2 figurines (3 if your CHA is 16 or higher).

Matthew Hayward wrote: I saw in the FAQ post that:

Follower Dragonkin: This does not stack with the extra figurine slot gained from high Charisma.

I would request that this restriction be lifted, and it provide the same slot expanding effect that UR Psyferre's Spectacles does: Wearer may equip 1 additional Figurine of Power. This perk stacks with the ability to equip a second Figurine of Power from having at least 16 Charisma.

If the Follower Dragonkin can't expand past 2 slots total regardless of user CHA, then it is useless to Bards and Paladins who start with 17 CHA, and to anyone equipping Aaron's Sunhide Robe (except Dwarf Fighters).

I also feel Figurine is by far the least powerful slot being expanded.

If the concern is that we don't want both Psyferre's Spectacles and the Follower Dragonkin to stack with one another, the Dragonkin could be made as:

You may equip up to 2 figurines (3 if your CHA is 16 or higher).

I agree. Alternatively consider moving this slot to somewhere else.

Matthew Hayward wrote: I saw in the FAQ post that:

Follower Dragonkin: This does not stack with the extra figurine slot gained from high Charisma.

I would request that this restriction be lifted, and it provide the same slot expanding effect that UR Psyferre's Spectacles does: Wearer may equip 1 additional Figurine of Power. This perk stacks with the ability to equip a second Figurine of Power from having at least 16 Charisma.

If the Follower Dragonkin can't expand past 2 slots total regardless of user CHA, then it is useless to Bards and Paladins who start with 17 CHA, and to anyone equipping Aaron's Sunhide Robe (except Dwarf Fighters).

I also feel Figurine is by far the least powerful slot being expanded.

If the concern is that we don't want both Psyferre's Spectacles and the Follower Dragonkin to stack with one another, the Dragonkin could be made as:

You may equip up to 2 figurines (3 if your CHA is 16 or higher).

I think having 4 figurines would be fine as fare a balance goes.

Alternatively maybe instead of replacing it or reworking it maybe have a follower that gives a second use of a figurine or maybe a second use of of a spirit pet.

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: I saw in the FAQ post that:

Follower Dragonkin: This does not stack with the extra figurine slot gained from high Charisma.

I would request that this restriction be lifted, and it provide the same slot expanding effect that UR Psyferre's Spectacles does: Wearer may equip 1 additional Figurine of Power. This perk stacks with the ability to equip a second Figurine of Power from having at least 16 Charisma.

If the Follower Dragonkin can't expand past 2 slots total regardless of user CHA, then it is useless to Bards and Paladins who start with 17 CHA, and to anyone equipping Aaron's Sunhide Robe (except Dwarf Fighters).

I also feel Figurine is by far the least powerful slot being expanded.

If the concern is that we don't want both Psyferre's Spectacles and the Follower Dragonkin to stack with one another, the Dragonkin could be made as:

You may equip up to 2 figurines (3 if your CHA is 16 or higher).

I agree. Alternatively consider moving this slot to somewhere else.

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Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: I saw in the FAQ post that:

Follower Dragonkin: This does not stack with the extra figurine slot gained from high Charisma.

I would request that this restriction be lifted, and it provide the same slot expanding effect that UR Psyferre's Spectacles does: Wearer may equip 1 additional Figurine of Power. This perk stacks with the ability to equip a second Figurine of Power from having at least 16 Charisma.

If the Follower Dragonkin can't expand past 2 slots total regardless of user CHA, then it is useless to Bards and Paladins who start with 17 CHA, and to anyone equipping Aaron's Sunhide Robe (except Dwarf Fighters).

I also feel Figurine is by far the least powerful slot being expanded.

If the concern is that we don't want both Psyferre's Spectacles and the Follower Dragonkin to stack with one another, the Dragonkin could be made as:

You may equip up to 2 figurines (3 if your CHA is 16 or higher).

I agree. Alternatively consider moving this slot to somewhere else.

+1 on this.