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Final Ultra Rare Token Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #13

Actually, overlooked the obvious.

Restrict the Gauntlets to Cleric, Druid, and Paladin. That justifies being strictly better.

It doesn't make a ton of sense that ranger gets bonuses to healing, for one thing.
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Final Ultra Rare Token Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #14

Ring of the Savant - hum, most clerics, druids, and wizards with any experience will get the skill test like 90-100% of the time. So if it is almost automatic that make this item equivalent to Relsa's. It is a bit concerning to see an UR that is very close to the same power level as a legendary.

I mean if the assumption is the skill test is like a 50/50 thing maybe this is okay, but not at 90% or even 75%. I think this is way to powerful at UR.
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Final Ultra Rare Token Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #15

David Harris wrote: Ring of the Savant - hum, most clerics, druids, and wizards with any experience will get the skill test like 90-100% of the time. So if it is almost automatic that make this item equivalent to Relsa's. It is a bit concerning to see an UR that is very close to the same power level as a legendary.

I mean if the assumption is the skill test is like a 50/50 thing maybe this is okay, but not at 90% or even 75%. I think this is way to powerful at UR.


Not exactly as only some spells have skill tests. Using sketchy math, the effect is still too much. Whether sketchy math suggests +3 or +4 I'm not sure.
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Final Ultra Rare Token Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #16

Ian Lee wrote: Actually, overlooked the obvious.

Restrict the Gauntlets to Cleric, Druid, and Paladin. That justifies being strictly better.

It doesn't make a ton of sense that ranger gets bonuses to healing, for one thing.

And Fighters, because they are fighters
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Final Ultra Rare Token Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #17

Endgame wrote:

Ian Lee wrote: Actually, overlooked the obvious.

Restrict the Gauntlets to Cleric, Druid, and Paladin. That justifies being strictly better.

It doesn't make a ton of sense that ranger gets bonuses to healing, for one thing.

And Fighters, because they are fighters


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Final Ultra Rare Token Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #18

Ian Lee wrote:

David Harris wrote: Ring of the Savant - hum, most clerics, druids, and wizards with any experience will get the skill test like 90-100% of the time. So if it is almost automatic that make this item equivalent to Relsa's. It is a bit concerning to see an UR that is very close to the same power level as a legendary.

I mean if the assumption is the skill test is like a 50/50 thing maybe this is okay, but not at 90% or even 75%. I think this is way to powerful at UR.


Not exactly as only some spells have skill tests. Using sketchy math, the effect is still too much. Whether sketchy math suggests +3 or +4 I'm not sure.

The concern would be on the Healing checks more than damage spells I think. High end Wizards are usually conserving the Ray spells / aoe spells. Using this will drop the damage of those spells compared to using drakes while boosting lower level spells +3 over using drakes.
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Final Ultra Rare Token Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #19

Ian Lee wrote:

David Harris wrote: Ring of the Savant - hum, most clerics, druids, and wizards with any experience will get the skill test like 90-100% of the time. So if it is almost automatic that make this item equivalent to Relsa's. It is a bit concerning to see an UR that is very close to the same power level as a legendary.

I mean if the assumption is the skill test is like a 50/50 thing maybe this is okay, but not at 90% or even 75%. I think this is way to powerful at UR.


Not exactly as only some spells have skill tests. Using sketchy math, the effect is still too much. Whether sketchy math suggests +3 or +4 I'm not sure.


Fair point:

Cleric effects 6 of 12 spells effected by focus
Druid effects 8 of 14
Elf effects 9 of 12
Wizard effects 10 of 14

So still pretty impactful, +3 feels right to me. It doubles the effectiveness of a skill test at +3.
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Final Ultra Rare Token Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #20

David Harris wrote:

Ian Lee wrote:

David Harris wrote: Ring of the Savant - hum, most clerics, druids, and wizards with any experience will get the skill test like 90-100% of the time. So if it is almost automatic that make this item equivalent to Relsa's. It is a bit concerning to see an UR that is very close to the same power level as a legendary.

I mean if the assumption is the skill test is like a 50/50 thing maybe this is okay, but not at 90% or even 75%. I think this is way to powerful at UR.


Not exactly as only some spells have skill tests. Using sketchy math, the effect is still too much. Whether sketchy math suggests +3 or +4 I'm not sure.


Fair point:

Cleric effects 6 of 12 spells effected by focus
Druid effects 8 of 14
Elf effects 9 of 12
Wizard effects 10 of 14

So still pretty impactful, +3 feels right to me. It doubles the effectiveness of a skill test at +3.

+3 is only a net improvement of +1 on skill check spells vs drakes, and still a net loss of 2 on non skill check spells. That might reduce total damage over a dungeon…
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Final Ultra Rare Token Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #21

I think part of what some people aren't considering here is that it requires you to make the skill check (and only works on certain spells!). A lot of vets just skip the skill check, so having the bonus be significant makes that skill check relevant again. If it's not any better than your typical spellpower ring then people will just choose the "works all the time, with all spells" option and skip the skill check anyways.
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Final Ultra Rare Token Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #22

Level 0 cleric spells, the most plentiful and meaningful healing spell imo, doesn’t have a skill check. So the ring is not grossly overpowered for healing.
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Final Ultra Rare Token Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #23

David Harris wrote: Ring of the Savant - hum, most clerics, druids, and wizards with any experience will get the skill test like 90-100% of the time. So if it is almost automatic that make this item equivalent to Relsa's. It is a bit concerning to see an UR that is very close to the same power level as a legendary.

I mean if the assumption is the skill test is like a 50/50 thing maybe this is okay, but not at 90% or even 75%. I think this is way to powerful at UR.


I agree with this, MANY people almost never miss their skill tests, and +5 damage at the UR level seems overpowered. I could see it as a +3 damage.

Plus, I think the URs cumulatively add about +16 to damage spells. That seems excessive.
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Final Ultra Rare Token Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #24

Want to echo the opinion that gauntlets are plenty good at +2 to-hit and +2 healing.

Then there's room for Brute, Finesse, Death Knight, etc to all have a place. You can also reprint Gloves of Weapon Finesse in 2+ years.

If it's the year of the Cleric, then I guess +3/2 is cool, too.
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