TOPIC: 2023 Transmuted Beta Token Images

Mike Steele wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote:

Dergidan wrote: Is there any chance of adding a completion token or monster trophy "4C" transmute (a-la Bead of the Lucky Traveler, Ring of Herosim, Icecrag Earcuff, etc)?

Sorry, but I think COVID has screwed up those plans. Things have been too screwy the past few years to do something like this. I don't want the non-VTD players to be left out. We can do one starting in 2022 since we will be at Gen Con this year.

Jeff, sorry to hear that. So, just to clarify, the next 4C token won't include any monster ingredient tokens prior to 2022? Just checking before transmuting a bunch of Golden Fleece.

Let me talk to the TD Team, but I was under the impression that this info was released.

So on the Ioun stones. At the cost of distilled healing, I can use the Pouch of Tulz to heal 10 as a free action and get a lot more mileage since I can also us the death pouch and revive.
So basically a bunch of slotless tokens work out better than these slotted ones.

The regen is interested but the can’t revive thing doesn’t make a lot of sense given other options that are slotless in the game.
I’m not against regen, I do use icecrags still. Heck icecrags as an Ioun stone would be a better relic, maybe double it for the legendary.

Jeff Martin wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote:

Dergidan wrote: Is there any chance of adding a completion token or monster trophy "4C" transmute (a-la Bead of the Lucky Traveler, Ring of Herosim, Icecrag Earcuff, etc)?

Sorry, but I think COVID has screwed up those plans. Things have been too screwy the past few years to do something like this. I don't want the non-VTD players to be left out. We can do one starting in 2022 since we will be at Gen Con this year.

Jeff, sorry to hear that. So, just to clarify, the next 4C token won't include any monster ingredient tokens prior to 2022? Just checking before transmuting a bunch of Golden Fleece.

Let me talk to the TD Team, but I was under the impression that this info was released.

Personally I want there to be a transmute for the lost Covid years even if it’s more funny than good, making a joke of these years.

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Thanks for all the amazing feedback and help with the always sticky Transmutes. Here is my current plan...please give me your feedback before I spend big bucks on art and then hours on the graphic design.

1) Change the Greaves back to the original idea of them being an epic conclusion to Greaves tokens in the treasure boxes only. A NEW surprise will await you in 2023. After six years, it is time for a change. The Transmute Greaves are gone.



2) Change the Acherin’s Gloves as shown and take them up to Legendary. Here is the new Gloves image:



Progression:

UR: +2 to dmg w/Ranged attacks (& they also Crit on a "19-20")
Relic: +5 to dmg w/Ranged attacks (& they also Crit on a "19-20")
Legendary: +6 to dmg w/Ranged, Crit on a "19-20", X3 dmg to Crits

3) Change the Linda's Boots to Gloves take them up to Legendary.

Progression: (Matches Acherin's stats exactly but with Melee)

UR: +2 to dmg w/Melee attacks (& they also Crit on a "19-20")
Relic: +5 to dmg w/Melee attacks (& they also Crit on a "19-20")
Legendary: +6 to dmg w/Melee, Crit on a "19-20", X3 dmg to Crits

NOTES on 3-4): I like this idea to give good sliders a chance to shine under pressure -- both in Melee or Ranged...but not both. You will have to decide which way to go.

4) Delete the Ioun Stones, too.

1) I love this, as collecting them from treasure was always a fun thing, and having a UR come in and replace all that didn't feel good. Would just want to know how this is setup as either a UR like Reaver, or a different kind of transmute, and assuming it would take certain previous greaves?

2/3) Would these then go up to being "harder to make" legendaries? Other than that I like the balance of the two but will leave to others to calcualte

4) If we just keep the UR, that works for me as a unique regen option.

Phil

But but what about the healers T_T

It's just like last year's Muk with only ranged damage or melee damage.

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote:

Dergidan wrote: Is there any chance of adding a completion token or monster trophy "4C" transmute (a-la Bead of the Lucky Traveler, Ring of Herosim, Icecrag Earcuff, etc)?

Sorry, but I think COVID has screwed up those plans. Things have been too screwy the past few years to do something like this. I don't want the non-VTD players to be left out. We can do one starting in 2022 since we will be at Gen Con this year.

Jeff, sorry to hear that. So, just to clarify, the next 4C token won't include any monster ingredient tokens prior to 2022? Just checking before transmuting a bunch of Golden Fleece.

Let me talk to the TD Team, but I was under the impression that this info was released.

Personally I want there to be a transmute for the lost Covid years even if it’s more funny than good, making a joke of these years.

+1. This is what Druegar had previously mentioned in 2022, but was short on time, so I figured it would make sense for 2023 as the (mostly) standard 4 years between Story Relics. Since many players have been sitting on at least one set since 2020, a fun relic would be more cool than 5+ fleeces.



Phil

Jeff Martin wrote: ===============================
.....................NEW PLAN........................
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Thanks for all the amazing feedback and help with the always sticky Transmutes. Here is my current plan...please give me your feedback before I spend big bucks on art and then hours on the graphic design.

1) Change the Greaves back to the original idea of them being an epic conclusion to Greaves tokens in the treasure boxes only. A NEW surprise will await you in 2023. After six years, it is time for a change. The Transmute Greaves are gone.



2) Change the Acherin’s Gloves as shown and take them up to Legendary. Here is the new Gloves image:



Progression:

UR: +2 to dmg w/Ranged attacks (& they also Crit on a "19-20")
Relic: +5 to dmg w/Ranged attacks (& they also Crit on a "19-20")
Legendary: +6 to dmg w/Ranged, Crit on a "19-20", X3 dmg to Crits

3) Change the Linda's Boots to Gloves take them up to Legendary.

Progression: (Matches Acherin's stats exactly but with Melee)

UR: +2 to dmg w/Melee attacks (& they also Crit on a "19-20")
Relic: +5 to dmg w/Melee attacks (& they also Crit on a "19-20")
Legendary: +6 to dmg w/Melee, Crit on a "19-20", X3 dmg to Crits

NOTES on 3-4): I like this idea to give good sliders a chance to shine under pressure -- both in Melee or Ranged...but not both. You will have to decide which way to go.

4) Delete the Ioun Stones, too.

Hi Jeff!

Thanks for making such major changes based on the suggestions. I think they're very good changes. I like the parallel gloves transmute path. It does seem overpowered at the Relic & Legendary level. The Relic would be fine at just +3 to damage - +4 at most. I'd make the Legendary just +1 higher than the Relic, since it also has the big x3 Critical Hit bonus. Maybe a +2/+3/+4 progression?

Regarding the Greaves, my only reservation is that the UR Greaves completely obsoletes all of the Treasure Box exclusive Greaves. My suggestion would be to make these Greaves a Transmute instead of a UR, and include in the Recipe one each of all of the Rare & Uncommon Greaves from the past years (or maybe just any X Number of Rare and Y Number of Uncommon Greaves in the Recipe if you think that is too hard to get past year Greaves). That way, everyone that got the Greaves over the years can use them in this transmute recipe, instead of just tossing them into the chipper.

I'll miss the boots. Sometimes, a token can just do something quirky, have some personality.

With the gloves, a progression of +2/+4/+6 would line up with the Havoc Rings from last year. In the end, it is probably best to save the x3 damage for the Legendary only.

Mike Steele wrote: Thanks for making such major changes based on the suggestions. I think they're very good changes. I like the parallel gloves transmute path. It does seem overpowered at the Relic & Legendary level. The Relic would be fine at just +3 to damage - +4 at most. I'd make the Legendary just +1 higher than the Relic, since it also has the big x3 Critical Hit bonus. Maybe a +2/+3/+4 progression?

Blessed tempest gloves give +3 to damage and can be had for ~40. I don't know that the slightly expanded crit range is worth the expense of transmuting a relic.

Jeff Martin wrote: ===============================
.....................NEW PLAN........................
===============================

Thanks for all the amazing feedback and help with the always sticky Transmutes. Here is my current plan...please give me your feedback before I spend big bucks on art and then hours on the graphic design.

1) Change the Greaves back to the original idea of them being an epic conclusion to Greaves tokens in the treasure boxes only. A NEW surprise will await you in 2023. After six years, it is time for a change. The Transmute Greaves are gone.



2) Change the Acherin’s Gloves as shown and take them up to Legendary. Here is the new Gloves image:



Progression:

UR: +2 to dmg w/Ranged attacks (& they also Crit on a "19-20")
Relic: +5 to dmg w/Ranged attacks (& they also Crit on a "19-20")
Legendary: +6 to dmg w/Ranged, Crit on a "19-20", X3 dmg to Crits

3) Change the Linda's Boots to Gloves take them up to Legendary.

Progression: (Matches Acherin's stats exactly but with Melee)

UR: +2 to dmg w/Melee attacks (& they also Crit on a "19-20")
Relic: +5 to dmg w/Melee attacks (& they also Crit on a "19-20")
Legendary: +6 to dmg w/Melee, Crit on a "19-20", X3 dmg to Crits

NOTES on 3-4): I like this idea to give good sliders a chance to shine under pressure -- both in Melee or Ranged...but not both. You will have to decide which way to go.

4) Delete the Ioun Stones, too.

Make the gloves Deadshot for the set and sounds like a winner.