TOPIC: 2023 Ultra Rare Token Ideas

Matthew Hayward wrote: Octopus Grasp - Hands

Rogue: +8 Sneak Attack Damage

This is an AWESOME idea. It gives a powerful token to Rogues which is better in Nightshades and Viper Strike builds than it is in the Assassin's Crossbow build. I really, really like this.

Blinders of Frenzied Fixation
Eyes
+3 to hit with melee attacks, -2 to AC

Exbalz wrote: +2 Cursed Maul - Must equip through entire dungeon, -5 to all healing done and received, higher damage wheel than normal +2 UR 2H weapons, usable by Clerics and Druids only

I really like this idea, or something like it (Cursed weapons with a drawback and an upside)

Grizwald wrote: Figurine of Power: Elephant
Once per game, the owner of this item may immediately use a once per game item, even if it has already been used.

Errata: This item may not be used to re-use Figurine of Power: Elephant an infinite number of times

David Harris wrote: Blinders of Frenzied Fixation
Eyes
+3 to hit with melee attacks, -2 to AC

Maybe limit to Barbarian, Fighters, and Paladin?

Strider's Trenchcoat (Torso)

+3 to DEX
+1 to Ranged Damage

Rangers Only: Same effect as Charm of Quick Strike

Usable by: All

EvilJohn wrote: I think someone mentioned it already perhaps, reprint of CoGF? -- My group has all of the TE Ioun Stones, but the bar for multiple CoAs is just too high. Or heck, even a CoGF with a different name so it can't be a part of the CoA recipe (and of course can't be used by CoA holders).

Maybe not a reprint, but something close. I think there's a goal to sort of limit how rapidly the total treasure available goes up, but also to keep printing treasure enhancers that BiS players would buy to keep up sales.

The concept of synergy could be somewhat refined to not be based exactly on the named token but each token could be a member of a synergy set. In this example we would be talking about the "Good Fortune" synergy set, but the new token could either keep the good fortune name and end up in another slot or could be a new charm with a different name but indicating it is in the Good Fortune synergy set. Each player can only benefit from a synergy set bonus once, regardless of how many tokens in the set they equip.

The new good fortune synergy set token would have a base of +2 treasure. It would grant +1 treasure if there are 6-9 players with the good fortune synergy set active or +2 if there are 10. As such depending on the slot existing players would still want it to boost their max up to 25. Newer players have a way to join into the synergy set reducing the treasure gap a bit and providing a benefit to BiS players who don't have a full set of treasure enhancers to loan out to a party.

This concept has some potentially interesting design space outside of the treasure enhancing area. There could be synergy sets where casters and martials could participate and get role appropriate bonuses. Some examples:

Devotion set where a cleric or druid would get bonus to heal in a hand slot, a paladin might get bonus to lay on hands or guard on a shield, other martials maybe get extra damage to evil/evil outsiders from a wrist (in addition to whatever base power would be needed to make the wrist viable when the conditional damage doesn't help).

Tactician set where perhaps martials get a bonus to hit, rogue gets bonus sneak attack damage, wizards and druids get bonuses to single target damage spells, bard gets some sort of bonus to bardsong.

Sorry for the long rambling post.

Matthew Hayward wrote: Charm of Retribution: Your retribution damage applies to Ranged Attacks

Ioun Stone Galena Cluster: Your retribution damage applies to Spell Attacks

I really like these as ideas. Not sure a random newbie would want to find them in their treasure packs, though (unless there's also some Common/UC/Rare Retribution available in the 2023 set.) But as a way to work towards a Retribution build, these would be excellent Charms to equip, even in a competitive slot!

Raven wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: Charm of Retribution: Your retribution damage applies to Ranged Attacks

Ioun Stone Galena Cluster: Your retribution damage applies to Spell Attacks

I really like these as ideas. Not sure a random newbie would want to find them in their treasure packs, though (unless there's also some Common/UC/Rare Retribution available in the 2023 set.) But as a way to work towards a Retribution build, these would be excellent Charms to equip, even in a competitive slot!

Perhaps these would be better as 4 point transmutes for the reason you mention.

Matthew Hayward wrote:

David Harris wrote: Blinders of Frenzied Fixation
Eyes
+3 to hit with melee attacks, -2 to AC

Maybe limit to Barbarian, Fighters, and Paladin?

Sure

This is more of a general comment about what I want to see in regards to UR. As a Nightmare-level player, what drives me to buy tokens is unique effects and treasure enhancers. Slot expanders and stat bonuses don't really drive me to buy tokens anymore. For example, my favorite token from 2022 was Butterfly Cloak, it's not even close to the best item for its slot but it is fun and does something different. Build diversity that doesn't revolve around stat manipulation is something that I think would really help keep the game interesting.

I love some of the ideas that have already been brought up here that align with this. For example:
UR that allow for all in retribution builds that actually do a meaningful amount of damage.
UR tokens that provide non-focus related special benefits to Druids who are Polymorphed
Ideas like this get me really excited for new builds.

+2 Ebony Dagger of Stunning
Upon Critical hit, stuns target for one rd.
Usable by Rogue

Give it some 6's for rogues to assassinate.