TOPIC: 2023 Ultra Rare Token Ideas

Iross wrote: I think I'd prefer a different effect to stunning on a natural 20. The +2 Stunning Lt. Crossbow is a fairly recent token which already has that effect, but it rarely sees much play and tends to have a pretty low trade value.

To support Guedoji and Raven's suggestions though, I like the idea of an alternative Rogue/Monk/Other weapon with a non-damage effect, so maybe temporary AC reduction on any crit (including expanded crit range) would be a good way to do it?

I really like it on a dagger with stunning, as Raven mentioned, it give us more options. I love the Nightshades, but I want to mix it up. Giving the dagger similar stats to Nightshades would give Rogues a fun choice. I've considered the crossbow, but the assassin's crossbow was just a much better option.

Stunning (even at a low chance) would be a great option for when you can't sneak attack.

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

Iross wrote: I think I'd prefer a different effect to stunning on a natural 20. The +2 Stunning Lt. Crossbow is a fairly recent token which already has that effect, but it rarely sees much play and tends to have a pretty low trade value.

To support Guedoji and Raven's suggestions though, I like the idea of an alternative Rogue/Monk/Other weapon with a non-damage effect, so maybe temporary AC reduction on any crit (including expanded crit range) would be a good way to do it?

I may be in the minority, but all of my melee characters that only hit ranged on a 20 equip the Stunning Lt Crossbow. This is particularly true of my retribution builds that want a low dex and low AC.

If I'm going to need a 20, I may as well get a stun for it, right?

I agree it's a pretty good token too, I keep a copy to throw into any builds which are missing a ranged weapon. It just doesn't seem to see much play in general for some reason (I don't think I've seen any on build lists or in any of the runs I've been on) or have much value as a trade. I wonder if it's because dedicated ranged builds have better weapons available, and melee builds have the option of equipping a mighty or throwing weapon instead.

Ur missile weapons are in a really strange spot. Top end builds are probably going to use Thor’s or Io’s. Mid range melee builds are almost certain to prioritize Ranged weapon last, so rare + whetstone is fine. Mid range Ranged builds have almost no options in general, so Relic bow or mighty longbow are about the only choices depending how much str you have.

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: We already took away a class power from the human fighter and made it available to everyone via FoP:Panther.

I think the design space of allowing stunning is interesting.

Maybe a weapon that gives -2 to hit (to the player) but allows for a stun?

Perhaps rogues (and fighters?) would not get the -2?

Stunning light crossbow says what what, and at range.

Futuresight - Eyes
Immune to surprise, INT Modifier added to AC and Reflex Saves
Usable by All

Charm of the Octopus

I would like to see either a cloak or a charm that is a functional reprint of the Cloak of Blending but plays on the ability of an octopus to change color and shape. I think a charm would be more interesting in order to not be a complete reprint, but more interested in the ability being reintroduced rather than the slot.

Same text as: tokendb.com/token/cloak-of-blending/

Bonus points if we can get an Octopus set that incorporates other neat features of the creatures: ink cloud, regeneration, extra arms...

+2 Spear of the Narwhal
You may breathe and act unhindered in water.

Damage Wheel: 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
Usable by all but Cleric and Wizard
Compound throwable weapon.

Scepter of the Abyss (one handed melee)
+1 cold, +1 dark rift damage included in wheel
Grants blindsight (no penalty from total darkness or invisible enemies)
Damage Wheel: 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
Usable by: all

Spectral Staff (2 handed melee)
Unlocks psychic potential and grants +1 tier of psychic

Bonus to melee hit and damage equal to half your psychic tier, rounded up.

Damage wheel: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
Usable by: all

+2 Cutlass
D8+2 Damage Wheel
Fighters gain +2 Dex
Barbarian, Fighters, Paladin, and Rangers
1 Hand

Fighters are suppose to have the best gear, so lets make something that's better for Fighters.

Nightshade's Thorn (offhand)
usable by All, but not casters (aside from Druid)

+2 str

Rogue: When a Rogue Sneak Attacks with a melee weapon (not ranged/thrown attacks) and a Natural 20 is rolled (or Natural 19-20 if using Nightshade's Sword or Dagger ) the Rogue may both Attack and use their Flanking skill on the next round.

Krym wrote: Nightshade's Thorn (offhand)
usable by All, but not casters (aside from Druid)

+2 str

Rogue: When a Rogue Sneak Attacks with a melee weapon (not ranged/thrown attacks) and a Natural 20 is rolled (or Natural 19-20 if using Nightshade's Sword or Dagger ) the Rogue may both Attack and use their Flanking skill on the next round.

This would be great in VTD, but would need another puck in physical for using the flank ability as well as attacking.