TOPIC: 2022 Final Images -- Please have a look (& of course they are not Final-Final)

Mystic/Mage staffs: it's probably too late to change this now, but what if it used the higher of DEX or INT/WIS for a few seasons until more +INT/WIS gear is released?

Ravager Axe, +1 Ravager Axe: I think this is the first case where the rare is a +1 on a common. I'm assuming intentional, given the revisions these have gone through.

Humble Cup: might want to be explicit and specify no UR+ tokens, not just UR.

Bead of Guided Strike: love the Rogue love, and I don't even play Rogue! I'll let people with more experience with Rogues guide the conversation though.

Deadshot set: thanks for taking the set suggestion for a last minute set! What's the bonus?

Death Knight Mail: thank you for going back to the original theme that tied the DK set together. It really wouldn't feel like a DK piece without the STR bonus.

Deadshot Goggles: alphabetically this should go between Charm of Spell Storing and Death Knight Mail.

Bead of Jealous Heroism: I'm amused this was removed in the same revision that the number of bead slots was increased. The drawback would have been appropriate with that.

Charm of Heroic Choice, Charm of Champion's Choice: like that it doesn't make the previous charms obsolete, especially since these stack with the older charms!

Ring of the Champion: given that the Ring of the Hero is +1 STR +1 DEX, should this be +2/+2 instead?

+2 Turkey Leg of Returning: going by Thor’s +5 Returning Hammer of Smiting , this should be called a +2 Returning Turkey Leg of Smiting.

Greater Charm Bracelets: missing the year indicators on the side, and wrong star (4-pointed Exalted instead of 5-pointed Relic) is used.

I’d like to see the level boosters back especially the relic.

Also I think the relic turkey leg needs to be bumped up to a +3 weapon, otherwise why not just run the rare and enchanters Wheatstone and save the resources. I think people have argued this token into garbage.

Guedoji wrote: Sneak attack needs to be looked at and hopefully redesigned. Now'a days it's almost better for newer players to not even use it.

I'm sorry I don't understand the sentiment.

Beertram wrote: With the change to bead slots the Heroism Bead was probably not so unbalanced.

Strongly agreed.

Endgame wrote: Baby steps are better than giant leaps.

Agreed.

Azzy wrote:

Picc wrote: As is I suspect a bead of guided strike may even make people regret having purchased the bracers in 2018-19

Zero regrets. Still love it.

I don't necessarily regret it, but I'm sad that in one fell swoop it's got a timer on it to be obsoleted after being out of print for like 2 years.

Picc wrote: I think you've made the right call by just raising the bead count to three rather than messing with controversial slot expanders.

Agreed.

Picc wrote: Lenses of Close Inspection: I would still suggest making this bracers, even bracers with a minor negative of some kind would feel appropriate as a progression between uncommon bracers that negate a specific creature type immunity & UR bracers that negate all immunities. Once we return to physical we should also consider that in practice there likely won't be much difference between how "negate sneak immunity" and "negate sneak & crit immunity" is adjudicated.

I disagree with Picc about moving to the bracers slot, but that's kind of moot at this point. I totally agree about the crit/sneak. And I don't understand the desire to make the token work for melee only. Now it's a red build token, but before it acted as a stepping stone toward the ranged rogue.

Picc wrote: Bead of Guided Strike: This is a little nuts to me given the jump to three bead slots. It basically takes a power that everyone agrees is "class defining" and effectively makes it slot less for years to come. If this has to happen, I would recommend a strong non stacking slot like gloves, belt, or maybe armour. As is I suspect a bead of guided strike may even make people regret having purchased the bracers in 2018-19

Harlax's Helpful Lamp: The 2 initiative feels like too much. Charm of synergy was already such a definingly powerful token that runs are still based on its presence. This is a slotless stacking charm of synergy that also raises initiative. Honestly given the slot difference that's closer to relic level.

The Bead of GS and The Lamps will drive sales. Every single purple+ player will buy at least one if not multiple. Not just rogues. (Almost) Every rogue will be buying a Bead and a Bracelet of Charms and the Bracers of GS secondary market price will crater. Secondary market isn't Jeff's problem, but it is an indicator of collective thoughts on design decisions (e.g. +2 SLC). And crit-immune creatures will be difficult to utilize in the design space for a couple years.

Yes this bead basically adds two charm slots to my wife's build which I'm thrilled about, but I don't like the design space cost.




Respectfully, please consider replacing the Bead of Guided Strike with the Jealous Heroism Bead for this year.

Rares:

I believe the Dandy shirt is new? I like it.

Triton
If you still want to have the triton set as something awesome for fighters, you could move the ravager armor to Triton helm, and give the triton helm +1 AC and +1 melee damage. Helm could be fighters, Cleric, Paladin. You’ll still have the + melee damage in the set, but only fighters would qualify for the set bonus.

Just noticed the Hat of the Humble Servent. Weird Flex but ok.

Lequinian wrote:

Guedoji wrote: Sneak attack needs to be looked at and hopefully redesigned. Now'a days it's almost better for newer players to not even use it.

I'm sorry I don't understand the sentiment.

I've been doing blind token pack runs as a Rogue simulating a new player, Sneak Attack is terrible for new Rogues, and as the dungeon mechanics evolve it continues to get worse. The skill hasn't scaled well over time, the one rd delay really just needs to be removed.

We got into it a bit last year on the lord's and ladies forums also a bit in the Rogue forums.

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=54&id=252221&start=12

Really excited to see what the Deadshot set bonus is. Also the guided strike bead is still great.

Guedoji wrote:

Lequinian wrote:

Guedoji wrote: Sneak attack needs to be looked at and hopefully redesigned. Now'a days it's almost better for newer players to not even use it.

I'm sorry I don't understand the sentiment.

I've been doing blind token pack runs as a Rogue simulating a new player, Sneak Attack is terrible for new Rogues, and as the dungeon mechanics evolve it continues to get worse. The skill hasn't scaled well over time, the one rd delay really just needs to be removed.

We got into it a bit last year on the lord's and ladies forums also a bit in the Rogue forums.

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=54&id=252221&start=12

Ok, so your concern is the 1rd delay? Fair enough.

Wayne Rhodes wrote: I’d like to see the level boosters back especially the relic.

Also I think the relic turkey leg needs to be bumped up to a +3 weapon, otherwise why not just run the rare and enchanters Wheatstone and save the resources. I think people have argued this token into garbage.

It has an expanded crit range, which historically has cost you -1 to hit.

Picc wrote: Question I'm not sure anyone has asked yet. With the dragon orbs finished this year, will there be a new 8k incentive or is that getting replaced by the 2k incentive.

Also if there is another 8k incentive item, will said item form a set with the dragon orb.

Honestly I kind of hope not in both cases since it's not fun to get priced out but I also understand the need to reward large patrons.

The orbs are finished in 2022 - we don’t have to answer this till 2023 preparers, which are more than a year away.

Lequinian wrote: Respectfully, please consider replacing the Bead of Guided Strike with the Jealous Heroism Bead for this year.

Please don’t remove Bead of Guided Strike, I want one

Wayne Rhodes wrote: I’d like to see the level boosters back especially the relic.

Also I think the relic turkey leg needs to be bumped up to a +3 weapon, otherwise why not just run the rare and enchanters Wheatstone and save the resources. I think people have argued this token into garbage.

I would say if there's no single token Level Booster, then wait for set bonuses to be announced.