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2022 Final Images -- Please have a look (& of course they are not Final-Final) 8 months 3 weeks ago #61

bpsymington wrote:

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bpsymington wrote:

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bpsymington wrote: Wow - lots of tough choices here. Do I give up my arcane set for the deadshot belt and greater charm bracelets? If I do that I could replace the RoSS with a greater Ring of Havoc and the Charm of Spell Storing.

I want these new tokens now! :laugh:


Of course, not knowing about the relic, I think I sold my charm bracelets recently! :(


Same here.

But hey, as a PYP getting a new one isn't expensive


Yah, I'll probably do that. But if I want to make the transmuted shirt, I'll need to use PYPs to get the Shirts of the Oaf and Imbiber as well.


Shirt only makes sense if you're also going to make the 5 year arcanum token as well for the set bonus.

It will be weaker than the +3 focus shirt coming in 2023

I would rather have the higher focus. Was it determined whether there would be a drawback?


Yes, there will be a drawback but we have no idea what it will be yet.

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2022 Final Images -- Please have a look (& of course they are not Final-Final) 8 months 3 weeks ago #62

Ian Lee wrote: Triton Ring

With no Triton set, there's no purpose to having Triton on this as I don't think Triton when I think healing. Also, too similar to UR in effect.

Ring of the Starfish
+2 healing Spells & no underwater penalties

I'd like the Arcanum +2 AC ring to return.


That is a solid Ring option thematic to the sea adventures. I like it

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2022 Final Images -- Please have a look (& of course they are not Final-Final) 8 months 3 weeks ago #63

bpsymington wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

bpsymington wrote:

bpsymington wrote: Wow - lots of tough choices here. Do I give up my arcane set for the deadshot belt and greater charm bracelets? If I do that I could replace the RoSS with a greater Ring of Havoc and the Charm of Spell Storing.

I want these new tokens now! :laugh:


Of course, not knowing about the relic, I think I sold my charm bracelets recently! :(


Same here.

But hey, as a PYP getting a new one isn't expensive


Yah, I'll probably do that. But if I want to make the transmuted shirt, I'll need to use PYPs to get the Shirts of the Oaf and Imbiber as well.


You might want to get the Shirt of the Oaf this year before it goes Out of Print.

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2022 Final Images -- Please have a look (& of course they are not Final-Final) 8 months 3 weeks ago #64

PYP prices are going UP each auction. I would suggest buying it VERY soon

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2022 Final Images -- Please have a look (& of course they are not Final-Final) 8 months 3 weeks ago #65

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I think you've made the right call by just raising the bead count to three rather than messing with controversial slot expanders.

Potion of Eel's Defence: If there's any way to make drinking this potion an instant action so it could be drunk in response to a declared attack that would be awesome. I could see drinking the potion then not getting targeted as a bit of a bad feel. Otherwise I love this item.

Lenses of Close Inspection: I would still suggest making this bracers, even bracers with a minor negative of some kind would feel appropriate as a progression between uncommon bracers that negate a specific creature type immunity & UR bracers that negate all immunities. Once we return to physical we should also consider that in practice there likely won't be much difference between how "negate sneak immunity" and "negate sneak & crit immunity" is adjudicated.

Bead of Guided Strike: This is a little nuts to me given the jump to three bead slots. It basically takes a power that everyone agrees is "class defining" and effectively makes it slot less for years to come. If this has to happen, I would recommend a strong non stacking slot like gloves, belt, or maybe armour. As is I suspect a bead of guided strike may even make people regret having purchased the bracers in 2018-19

Harlax's Helpful Lamp: The 2 initiative feels like too much. Charm of synergy was already such a definingly powerful token that runs are still based on its presence. This is a slotless stacking charm of synergy that also raises initiative. Honestly given the slot difference that's closer to relic level.

Charm of the champion: I'm not sure how I feel about this one since it is weaker then the amulet of the champion, but it is also literally greater onyx charm + greater quick silver charm.

+2 Turkey Leg of Returning transmute: I recommend caution with this one. It's a great weapon chain but it's also a joke item that (to my knowledge) the turkey leg runners didn't really ask for and in my experience joke items becoming so efficient enough to be used in core game play has not been a great bellwether for game health.

Triton ring: I'm disappointed by this change, but it's probably for the best.

Other than those, everything looks good to my eyes.
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2022 Final Images -- Please have a look (& of course they are not Final-Final) 8 months 3 weeks ago #66

Why is having no +healing ring for the best? If the problem is participation level then move it to UR and replace the ioun stone. Only other option is to shell out for OOP $500 relic or the legendary.

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2022 Final Images -- Please have a look (& of course they are not Final-Final) 8 months 3 weeks ago #67

Completion tokens
All of these completion tokens look absolutely amazing. The drawbacks are minor and the stat bumps are new-player friendly. I hope the effects make it through development.

I think there is a big issue is with the names. There is way too much name overlap currently presented. Suggestion- change some of the "Pearl" Ioun Stones to other gemstones that are found in the ocean. A quick google search reveals that you can find calcite, olivine, and aquamarine in the depths below.

There is also a ton of "SEA _______" in the completion tokens. Some suggestions for varying up the names:
Octopus, marrid, barracuda, merrow, shark, Leopard Seals

I think some differentiation in the names will make it easier for everyone, especially newer players who will probably equip these for a long time....I really do think they're that good.

bonus points for Octopus being the token that increases INT, WIS, & CHA because Octopuses are wicked smart and bad ass.

Lucky Charm
And going to lobby once again for Lucky Charm to be a horseshoe, but I realize that these changes take time and probably have 0% chance because TD is outta time.

Greater Charm Bracelets
The Charm Bracelets relic just looks like the wrong version got copied. In the last iteration, the art had changed a bit.

Ring of the Champion
This is very powerful. Seems like it'd be fine at +2/+2
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2022 Final Images -- Please have a look (& of course they are not Final-Final) 8 months 3 weeks ago #68

Flik wrote: Why is having no +healing ring for the best? If the problem is participation level then move it to UR and replace the ioun stone. Only other option is to shell out for OOP $500 relic or the legendary.


There's plenty of healing in this set already. You have a brand new Bead that is a free slot now because here are more Bead slots. And there's the Ioun Stone, and healers can use the Charm of Spell Storing. If the Bead wasn't around, maybe..but there's no need for the ring now. Just buy the Bead.
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2022 Final Images -- Please have a look (& of course they are not Final-Final) 8 months 3 weeks ago #69

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Flik wrote: Why is having no +healing ring for the best? If the problem is participation level then move it to UR and replace the ioun stone. Only other option is to shell out for OOP $500 relic or the legendary.


There's plenty of healing in this set already. You have a brand new Bead that is a free slot now because here are more Bead slots. And there's the Ioun Stone, and healers can use the Charm of Spell Storing. If the Bead wasn't around, maybe..but there's no need for the ring now. Just buy the Bead.

Honestly, I’d prefer to take all these changes much more slowly.

Let bead sink in as 3 beads without any UR beads for a while (even better curtail creep and keep it at 1). Keep spell storing as a ring, and move the bead of focus to +2 ring of focus, and drop bead of guided strike for a different UR.

Baby steps are better than giant leaps.

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2022 Final Images -- Please have a look (& of course they are not Final-Final) 8 months 3 weeks ago #70

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Rob F wrote:

Flik wrote: Why is having no +healing ring for the best? If the problem is participation level then move it to UR and replace the ioun stone. Only other option is to shell out for OOP $500 relic or the legendary.


There's plenty of healing in this set already. You have a brand new Bead that is a free slot now because here are more Bead slots. And there's the Ioun Stone, and healers can use the Charm of Spell Storing. If the Bead wasn't around, maybe..but there's no need for the ring now. Just buy the Bead.


Dont get me wrong, I would love a healing ring. I dont have one and healers have been nurffed hard over the last few years with eldritched and LoDs changes but moderation is rarely a bad thing given how fast things kove around here sometimes. And honestly I feel like there are still bigger fights to put energy into this year.
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2022 Final Images -- Please have a look (& of course they are not Final-Final) 8 months 3 weeks ago #71

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Question I'm not sure anyone has asked yet. With the dragon orbs finished this year, will there be a new 8k incentive or is that getting replaced by the 2k incentive.

Also if there is another 8k incentive item, will said item form a set with the dragon orb.

Honestly I kind of hope not in both cases since it's not fun to get priced out but I also understand the need to reward large patrons.
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2022 Final Images -- Please have a look (& of course they are not Final-Final) 8 months 3 weeks ago #72

While its not something I would need, I have been in touch with friends who are disappointed that the Bead of Heroism was dropped. They do have the Ring of Heroism, but were hoping to get a ring slot back, especially for the new relic.

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