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2022 Ultra Rare Final Kind of 1 year 5 months ago #37

Chaos Cannon: Like the +2 to hit, I think it should go back to class restricted, take 2 hands (it is a cannon after all), and back up on damage.

Mug: Prefer this change.

Bead of Focus: Like it very much in this slot

Bead of Jealous Heroism: Agree the downside isn't enough. Or rather, the downside isn't enough for those who make this to want to remove it. Very few with this will also want or have brooch. I think either no additional beads or wrist, no additional beads or waist, or no additional bead and -2 saves.

Brooch: Assume this is a new slot? I am fine with this. I don't think it causes "slot-lock" as others have suggested.

Butterfly cloak is fun. Seems the standard is now +3 saves with a set bonus, or +2 saves with a fun effect (Shadowskin vs this)

Charm Bracelets: Earcuff of Orbits was put off last year, and now again. Kind of a bummer, but so it goes.

Charm of Spell Storing: Why not just reprint RoSS again? I suppose because it was a legendary ingredient, but that definitely feels like a fair bit of power creep in a slot that is losing a lot of competition due to the relic/legendary

Death Knight Mail: Agree that +1 melee damage will be more sought after. Still weaker than plate, which is fine.

Earcuff of the Ravager: Like the idea of keeping additional to hit minimized for Monk and Melee Ranger.

Harlax: As is, no reason to buy 10 of these. Maybe find a way so max requires full synergy?

Flourite Sphere: Strictly better than infernal fire prism, and with a "better" damage type. Not sure we need this immediately after Jasper Ellipsoid.

Love Lucky Charm. No copyright issues I assume?

Love Lucky Kilt. Feels perfect

I like the mage staff of power. The spell still takes a standard action, so I think it's fine.

Ring: Simply worse than Ring of the Drake, but needed for transmute

Sniper Spectacles: Will repeat request for lenses of the Fae, but maybe we wait to reprint that for another Rothfuss themed year?
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2022 Ultra Rare Final Kind of 1 year 5 months ago #38

Beertram wrote: I don't play Bard, so I can't speak for them, but as a Druid and occasional Cleric I don't see the need for us treading on an obvious Wizard thing.


100% agree! (Druid/Cleric main, semi-frequent Bard, and only very occasional Wizard)
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2022 Ultra Rare Final Kind of 1 year 5 months ago #39

Earcuff of the Ravager. Could this just be +2 to hit with 1H weapons +3 to hit with 2H weapons and not limit it to melee? Makes it doubly useful and it's in a slot largely ruled by slot enhancers.

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2022 Ultra Rare Final Kind of 1 year 5 months ago #40

I like the Belt of the Deadshot. Think it would be a much better Legendary transmute line than the Charm Bracelets. Legendary slot expanders seems like a very bad slippery slope to start walking down.

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2022 Ultra Rare Final Kind of 1 year 5 months ago #41

Lucky Charm: WANT! :)

eleventh-hour new idea for Harlax's Helpful Lamp: grants +3 max hp to another character (choose in coaching)

i.e. less total benefit compared to Charm of Synergy, but everybody can work together to Help the player(s) who need it most
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2022 Ultra Rare Final Kind of 1 year 5 months ago #42

David Zych wrote: Lucky Charm: WANT! :)

eleventh-hour new idea for Harlax's Helpful Lamp: grants +3 max hp to another character (choose in coaching)

i.e. less total benefit compared to Charm of Synergy, but everybody can work together to Help the player(s) who need it most

That is really really cool.
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2022 Ultra Rare Final Kind of 1 year 5 months ago #43

Mike Steele wrote:

AAckeret wrote: Disappointed that the Earcuff of Orbits was dropped, but the Charm Bracelets were kept, when the Earcuff has been out of print a year longer.


I'd agree with that. If we are looking to bump sales a bit this year to help cover a token cost increase, then reprinting the Earcuff of Orbits this year with a transmute path and doing the Charm Bracelets later is the better way to go. Earcuff of Orbits has been out of print longer and is significantly higher in demand.


+1, Orbits was planned last year then said wait until this year, now it's planned next year again. I would recommend that we replace the Charm Bracelet line completely with the Orbits line and then do Charm Bracelets next year.

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2022 Ultra Rare Final Kind of 1 year 5 months ago #44

Flik wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

AAckeret wrote: Disappointed that the Earcuff of Orbits was dropped, but the Charm Bracelets were kept, when the Earcuff has been out of print a year longer.


I'd agree with that. If we are looking to bump sales a bit this year to help cover a token cost increase, then reprinting the Earcuff of Orbits this year with a transmute path and doing the Charm Bracelets later is the better way to go. Earcuff of Orbits has been out of print longer and is significantly higher in demand.


+1, Orbits was planned last year then said wait until this year, now it's planned next year again. I would recommend that we replace the Charm Bracelet line completely with the Orbits line and then do Charm Bracelets next year.


Reprint the Orbits this year and drop the legendary slot expanders completely.

Orbits as a legendary hits the Ioun Stone cap in one single token. Move the second Legendary to something else instead.

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2022 Ultra Rare Final Kind of 1 year 5 months ago #45

Jamie Campbell wrote:

David Zych wrote: Lucky Charm: WANT! :)

eleventh-hour new idea for Harlax's Helpful Lamp: grants +3 max hp to another character (choose in coaching)

i.e. less total benefit compared to Charm of Synergy, but everybody can work together to Help the player(s) who need it most

That is really really cool.


Agree. Love this idea.

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2022 Ultra Rare Final Kind of 1 year 5 months ago #46

Chaos Cannon - I will leave the analysis of the damage wheel to others, I just like +2 Unique weapons at UR
Mug of Battle - same as above
Bead of Focus - Good UR token
Bead of Jealous Heroism - As others have noted the drawback is pretty small. Newish players who need +1 level will only have 1 bead slot anyways so the limitation is not really a limit (unless you plan on raising the initial number of beads allowed) We want players to use this, but it might need a (slightly) larger drawback
Brooch of Beading - nice token
Butterfly Cloak - perhaps a bit underpowered for top tier players, but I think this is good overall. New and mid-range players should like this token and it has a unique effect.
Charm Bracelets (and upgrade path) - Good reprint and slot expanding relic and legendary gear is a great idea.
Charm of Spell Storing - more powerful in this slot, but good.
Death Knight Mail - odd considering the fact that the other pieces of this set are all + Strength, perhaps it might be better to replace the - darkrift damage with either strength or at least an offensive stat such as +hit or damage?
Earcuff of the Ravager and Gloves of the Deadshot - It is hard for me to value +hit. It is really important until it isn't. So I am unsure.
Harlax's Lamp - a good tribute token
IS Fluorite Sphere - good IS, nice token
Lucky Items - I like different paths to a set bonus. Good ideas.
Mage Staff of Power - Adding the Staff type is fun - I will leave the discussion of power levels to others.
Ring of Havoc - Good and nice transmute path.
Shirt of the Imbiber - expected token - I have liked the multi-year shirt path.
Sniper Spectacles - Again, hard for me to value + to hit. Strange that Gloves of the Deadshot are also in this year's tokens.

I like this group of tokens overall because they seem balanced, but also would be fun for new players to find in their 10-pack. They are not more desirable than a normal year's set, so if TD needs increased token sales, I doubt these will drive a significant increase in preorders, but there still are many tokens that vets will want. ( Lamp, Brooch, Shirt, Bead of Focus, Lucky Charm, perhaps others)

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2022 Ultra Rare Final Kind of 1 year 5 months ago #47

Thoughts on the current tokens:

Bead of Focus - Thank you for including a focus item. Looking forward to picking this up on my cleric.

Bead of Jealous Heroism - Needs more of a drawback like everyone else has said. I like the idea of making earrings unusable to be in line with the Ring or Cook's Hat. Currently the 'drawback' on this token might as well not exist because you have to own a UR slot expander in this set to even trigger the drawback. Zero drawback to new players who just want a level item. Why would they upgrade to the Relic?

Broach of Beading - As long as this is slotless I'm okay with it. Unclear if it is though.

Butterfly Cloak - At first glance this seems stronger than Cloak of Shadowskin but it probably isn't and is an alternative. With Shadowskin you can dodge an attack and keep living so you can keep beating the monster.

Ioun Stone Fluorite Sphere - Completely one-ups Infernal Fire Prism from a couple years ago, but we've come a long way since then I guess.

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2022 Ultra Rare Final Kind of 1 year 5 months ago #48

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Chris Wiemer wrote: I like this group of tokens overall because they seem balanced, but also would be fun for new players to find in their 10-pack. They are not more desirable than a normal year's set, so if TD needs increased token sales, I doubt these will drive a significant increase in preorders, but there still are many tokens that vets will want. ( Lamp, Brooch, Shirt, Bead of Focus, Lucky Charm, perhaps others)

I would expect Chaos Canon, Charm Bracelets, Ring of Havoc will be bought by most vets, too, plus others depending on class/build.

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