TOPIC: 2022 Ultra Rare Token Images

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: PLEASE remember the Belt of the Brave exists.

If you are suggesting a +2/+2 Ranged UR belt when a +2/+2 Melee RARE belt exists that's just bad design.

If it swaps over to Ranged it needs to be better than the existing Rare Melee belt.

We've already nerfed several UR tokens into rare in 2021, let's not go the other direction for 2022

It's not nerfing when using for comparison Belt of the Brave, which is a red colored UR.

While we can't pretend Belt of the Brave doesn't exist at all, we also are not required to acknowledge that it's good design.

My thoughts on the new tokens are I like them all overall. Some specific thoughts:

+2 Chaos Cannon - I like the class availability. With most of the damage types being elemental it feels like shooting magic to me so it fits in my mind.

Badge of Beading - I'm intrigued by the new slot and an expander being put in it. What future badges could compete in this spot? Interesting design options in the future to me at least.

Belt of Fearless - Yeah, I feel this is too powerful like everyone else.

Ring of Havoc - I love the limits on equipping havoc rings. I think that successfully solves this tokens problem in my mind.

Ian Lee wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: PLEASE remember the Belt of the Brave exists.

If you are suggesting a +2/+2 Ranged UR belt when a +2/+2 Melee RARE belt exists that's just bad design.

If it swaps over to Ranged it needs to be better than the existing Rare Melee belt.

We've already nerfed several UR tokens into rare in 2021, let's not go the other direction for 2022

It's not nerfing when using for comparison Belt of the Brave, which is a red colored UR.

While we can't pretend Belt of the Brave doesn't exist at all, we also are not required to acknowledge that it's good design.

It exists at Rare, Melee is stronger than Ranged. If Ranged is getting an UR belt token I want it to be better than an existing Rare Melee version.

Giving the Melee classes this power at Rare and the Ranged classes this power at Ultra Rare is a nerf to the Ranged classes

Fiddy wrote:

Joshua Long wrote: Harlax's Helpful Lamp is kinda meh not compared to the initial version. I think there is a middle ground somewhere.

Currently, it is basically a slotless Charm of Synergy at half the bonus. Having it be slotless seems worth the power decrease.

Very good point! I retract my statement.

SageSTL wrote: It would be a bummer to have to choose between Badge of Nobility and Badge of Beading (or future badges). The +1 AC is not anywhere near the UR level of Beading, so it would be a no-brainer--but it would be unfortunate to never use something that was meant to be a nice, if small, perk for reaching 9th Level. Maybe just keep the Badge of Nobility slotless (as it currently indicates on the token)?

Given the Medallion of Nobility is slotless I sincerely doubt the Badge of Nobility is going to now be a slotted item.

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: PLEASE remember the Belt of the Brave exists.

If you are suggesting a +2/+2 Ranged UR belt when a +2/+2 Melee RARE belt exists that's just bad design.

If it swaps over to Ranged it needs to be better than the existing Rare Melee belt.

We've already nerfed several UR tokens into rare in 2021, let's not go the other direction for 2022

Can we please remove the rarity designations from completion and volunteer tokens. They don't accurately reflect the rarity of these tokens.

Also, belt of the brave is an extreme outlier. If it had gone through token design like a regular set token, it would never have been printed. Please stop using it as an argument for making every belt stronger. It is better than every other melee UR belt, but happens to be red instead of purple or blue.

kurtreznor wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: PLEASE remember the Belt of the Brave exists.

If you are suggesting a +2/+2 Ranged UR belt when a +2/+2 Melee RARE belt exists that's just bad design.

If it swaps over to Ranged it needs to be better than the existing Rare Melee belt.

We've already nerfed several UR tokens into rare in 2021, let's not go the other direction for 2022

Can we please remove the rarity designations from completion and volunteer tokens. They don't accurately reflect the rarity of these tokens.

Also, belt of the brave is an extreme outlier. If it had gone through token design like a regular set token, it would never have been printed. Please stop using it as an argument for making every belt stronger. It is better than every other melee UR belt, but happens to be red instead of purple or blue.

Not gonna happen.

Definitely should never have been printed. But it was. and it sets the bar for belts a step or two higher because of that.

Doesn't have to be amazing (my suggestion for using it as a starter for a transmute path is +2/+3 Ranged) but it needs to have something above that belt.

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: PLEASE remember the Belt of the Brave exists.

If you are suggesting a +2/+2 Ranged UR belt when a +2/+2 Melee RARE belt exists that's just bad design.

If it swaps over to Ranged it needs to be better than the existing Rare Melee belt.

We've already nerfed several UR tokens into rare in 2021, let's not go the other direction for 2022

Can we please remove the rarity designations from completion and volunteer tokens. They don't accurately reflect the rarity of these tokens.

Also, belt of the brave is an extreme outlier. If it had gone through token design like a regular set token, it would never have been printed. Please stop using it as an argument for making every belt stronger. It is better than every other melee UR belt, but happens to be red instead of purple or blue.

Not gonna happen.

Definitely should never have been printed. But it was. and it sets the bar for belts a step or two higher because of that.

Doesn't have to be amazing (my suggestion for using it as a starter for a transmute path is +2/+3 Ranged) but it needs to have something above that belt.

We do not need to use it as a baseline. It happened on a limited print completion token. It should be acknowledged as a mistake and moved on. It’s very bad form to use it as a baseline to creep above arcane belt.

Arcane Belt is +2 Melee +2 Ranged +2 Healing.

This is +2 to hit +3 to damage Ranged. That's not creep above the Arcane belt

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: Arcane Belt is +2 Melee +2 Ranged +2 Healing.

This is +2 to hit +3 to damage Ranged. That's not creep above the Arcane belt

You’re adding +2 to hit for missile and slide spells where there was none on arcane belt, AND creeping damage by one.

It really probably should be +2 hit and damage for missile, and leave spells off it, if it’s going to move function.

Let’s not lose sight of the important part of this discussion, and that is the base UR belt proposed is too good.

Definitely think the Badge of Nobility should stay slotless, since it is a long-term player reward with a minor benefit.

kurtreznor wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: PLEASE remember the Belt of the Brave exists.

If you are suggesting a +2/+2 Ranged UR belt when a +2/+2 Melee RARE belt exists that's just bad design.

If it swaps over to Ranged it needs to be better than the existing Rare Melee belt.

We've already nerfed several UR tokens into rare in 2021, let's not go the other direction for 2022

Can we please remove the rarity designations from completion and volunteer tokens. They don't accurately reflect the rarity of these tokens.

Also, belt of the brave is an extreme outlier. If it had gone through token design like a regular set token, it would never have been printed. Please stop using it as an argument for making every belt stronger. It is better than every other melee UR belt, but happens to be red instead of purple or blue.

+1