TOPIC: Transmute Token Ideas

Now that a good portion of this post is regarding the Dragon Orb transmute - would it make more sense to move that discussion to its own thread just to focus that discussion away from the normal transmute token ideas/paths?

The intent is not to discount the importance of that discussion, but to keep it more focused. Just a thought.

How about a 3-year series of:
Even Greater Ring of Will: +8 Will Saves
Even Greater Ring of Fortitude: +8 Fort Saves
Even Greater Ring of Reflexes: +8 Reflex Saves

Maybe with Relic transmutes like:
Penultimate Ring of Will: +8 Will Saves, Re-roll 1s on will saves
Penultimate Ring of Fortitude: +8 Fort Saves, Re-roll 1s on fort saves
Penultimate Ring of Reflexes: +8 Reflex Saves, Re-roll 1s on reflex saves

And Legendaries like:
Ultimate Ring of Will: +8 Will Saves, Re-roll 1&2s on will saves, immune to confusion
Ultimate Ring of Fortitude: +8 Fort Saves, Re-roll 1&2s on fort saves, immune to petrification
Ultimate Ring of Reflexes: +8 Reflex Saves, Re-roll 1&2s on reflex saves, improved evasion

Yes, I realize the reflex Legendary directly obsolete's Khing's. I'm not generally in favor of directly obsoleting a Legendary, but Khing's has seemed to be sitting at the 2nd-least desired Legendary for quite a while. Having a small upgrade recipe from Khing's to this one would make sense to me - maybe just a few trade goods - no GF and no GP. If we did head down this path, I'd do the reflex one last, so people know it is coming.

While I don't have any suggestions for it I feel we should start Relic/Legendary paths for slots that don't currently have them or are limited to only a few classes. Eyes, hands, and ears don't have anything while head and off-hand are both limited to heavy armor.

Brokkr wrote: While I don't have any suggestions for it I feel we should start Relic/Legendary paths for slots that don't currently have them or are limited to only a few classes. Eyes, hands, and ears don't have anything while head and off-hand are both limited to heavy armor.

I don't disagree that I'd like to see other slots filled that don't have transmutes. That was why I posted the list of where we have holes ealier in the thread. That said, I'd also like to see something like this ring series as well.

One minor correction to what you said. Off-hand is technically not limited to heavy armor. Monk can wield two Viper Strike Fangs. Rangers can dual-wield those as well as Thor's. Bard and Druid are the only classes that have UR multiple off-hand options at UR that don't have any at Relic+.

Too bad we did the Shield of the Scholar reprint already, as there could be some interesting transmute paths for it. Maybe time to reprint the Dragonscale set along with a transmute path (starting with the shield)? Might be interesting to have that coincide with the Dragon Orbs transmutes.

Fiddy wrote: How about a 3-year series of:
Even Greater Ring of Will: +8 Will Saves
Even Greater Ring of Fortitude: +8 Fort Saves
Even Greater Ring of Reflexes: +8 Reflex Saves

Maybe with Relic transmutes like:
Penultimate Ring of Will: +8 Will Saves, Re-roll 1s on will saves
Penultimate Ring of Fortitude: +8 Fort Saves, Re-roll 1s on fort saves
Penultimate Ring of Reflexes: +8 Reflex Saves, Re-roll 1s on reflex saves

And Legendaries like:
Ultimate Ring of Will: +8 Will Saves, Re-roll 1&2s on will saves, immune to confusion
Ultimate Ring of Fortitude: +8 Fort Saves, Re-roll 1&2s on fort saves, immune to petrification
Ultimate Ring of Reflexes: +8 Reflex Saves, Re-roll 1&2s on reflex saves, improved evasion

Yes, I realize the reflex Legendary directly obsolete's Khing's. I'm not generally in favor of directly obsoleting a Legendary, but Khing's has seemed to be sitting at the 2nd-least desired Legendary for quite a while. Having a small upgrade recipe from Khing's to this one would make sense to me - maybe just a few trade goods - no GF and no GP. If we did head down this path, I'd do the reflex one last, so people know it is coming.

I really like the ideas to make a Legendary Ring of Will & Ring of Fortitude, but I am not a fan of giving iconic character skills of one class to all classes unless we start opening this up to all classes and giving access to more skills. I understand that this is a parrellel to D&D and some classes share skills, but in TD they dont and each class has unique skills, so I am unsure why we would give unique skills of one class to all other classes, without giving the original onwer of the skill something to. If this were something we continue to do I would personally like to see it be more like Gloves of Deflection where everybody could get the skill but the class with said skill gets a benefit for already having it.

Fiddy wrote:

Brokkr wrote: While I don't have any suggestions for it I feel we should start Relic/Legendary paths for slots that don't currently have them or are limited to only a few classes. Eyes, hands, and ears don't have anything while head and off-hand are both limited to heavy armor.

I don't disagree that I'd like to see other slots filled that don't have transmutes. That was why I posted the list of where we have holes ealier in the thread. That said, I'd also like to see something like this ring series as well.

One minor correction to what you said. Off-hand is technically not limited to heavy armor. Monk can wield two Viper Strike Fangs. Rangers can dual-wield those as well as Thor's. Bard and Druid are the only classes that have UR multiple off-hand options at UR that don't have any at Relic+.

Too bad we did the Shield of the Scholar reprint already, as there could be some interesting transmute paths for it. Maybe time to reprint the Dragonscale set along with a transmute path (starting with the shield)? Might be interesting to have that coincide with the Dragon Orbs transmutes.

I think I mentioned it many years ago, but instead of a straight reprint, maybe a new Dragonscale set that prevented cold instead of fire damage. It would be nice to have that with a transmute path, because it could pull in some classes that don't normally get heavier armor, like Druid & Bard (on the shield).

Fiddy wrote: How about a 3-year series of:
Even Greater Ring of Will: +8 Will Saves
Even Greater Ring of Fortitude: +8 Fort Saves
Even Greater Ring of Reflexes: +8 Reflex Saves

Maybe with Relic transmutes like:
Penultimate Ring of Will: +8 Will Saves, Re-roll 1s on will saves
Penultimate Ring of Fortitude: +8 Fort Saves, Re-roll 1s on fort saves
Penultimate Ring of Reflexes: +8 Reflex Saves, Re-roll 1s on reflex saves

And Legendaries like:
Ultimate Ring of Will: +8 Will Saves, Re-roll 1&2s on will saves, immune to confusion
Ultimate Ring of Fortitude: +8 Fort Saves, Re-roll 1&2s on fort saves, immune to petrification
Ultimate Ring of Reflexes: +8 Reflex Saves, Re-roll 1&2s on reflex saves, improved evasion

Yes, I realize the reflex Legendary directly obsolete's Khing's. I'm not generally in favor of directly obsoleting a Legendary, but Khing's has seemed to be sitting at the 2nd-least desired Legendary for quite a while. Having a small upgrade recipe from Khing's to this one would make sense to me - maybe just a few trade goods - no GF and no GP. If we did head down this path, I'd do the reflex one last, so people know it is coming.

Maybe offer some type of swap of the Legendary Khing's Ring in an alternate recipe?

balthasar wrote:

Fiddy wrote: How about a 3-year series of:
Even Greater Ring of Will: +8 Will Saves
Even Greater Ring of Fortitude: +8 Fort Saves
Even Greater Ring of Reflexes: +8 Reflex Saves

Maybe with Relic transmutes like:
Penultimate Ring of Will: +8 Will Saves, Re-roll 1s on will saves
Penultimate Ring of Fortitude: +8 Fort Saves, Re-roll 1s on fort saves
Penultimate Ring of Reflexes: +8 Reflex Saves, Re-roll 1s on reflex saves

And Legendaries like:
Ultimate Ring of Will: +8 Will Saves, Re-roll 1&2s on will saves, immune to confusion
Ultimate Ring of Fortitude: +8 Fort Saves, Re-roll 1&2s on fort saves, immune to petrification
Ultimate Ring of Reflexes: +8 Reflex Saves, Re-roll 1&2s on reflex saves, improved evasion

Yes, I realize the reflex Legendary directly obsolete's Khing's. I'm not generally in favor of directly obsoleting a Legendary, but Khing's has seemed to be sitting at the 2nd-least desired Legendary for quite a while. Having a small upgrade recipe from Khing's to this one would make sense to me - maybe just a few trade goods - no GF and no GP. If we did head down this path, I'd do the reflex one last, so people know it is coming.

Maybe offer some type of swap of the Legendary Khing's Ring in an alternate recipe?

Given there wasn't one for Ava's, I would suspect Legendary swaps aren't something TD is interested in.

Note that this is merely my opinion, I have no inside knowledge whatsoever.

I'd settle for an upgraded Shins slot item

I’d like to see consumable transmutes continue:

1. Ne eldritch runestone (for simplicity have it be the wonder effect eqch year?)
2. Damage Scroll transmutes: single target scrolls becoming multi-target. Soul spear becomes soul storm, etc. - ideally with the transmutes doing 50% higher damage than the rare.
3. Healing scroll transmutes: cure moderate becoming mass cure moderate (should be an expensive transmute.)
4. Single use transmute of several years of single use appreciation items (cherries, wines, re-pete healing, etc) to make a “heroes feast” providing 10 temp hp to the whole party and immunity to poison.

Fred

Hey transmute thread this time! Yay!

Bracers of Supreme Archery reprint from 5 years ago

Shiriken Holsters : +4 to to hit with range +2 to damage

+3 Shuriken 4/5/6/7 +3 damage related to theme ... is there a good rusted iron, sea shell, or Viking related type? Cold? Just more damage? Fighter ranger rogue monk

+5 Shurikeen same as before, but now it does bonus sonic and is considered keen (add 1 to crit range so 19-20 or 18-20 in some cases). Fighter ranger rogue monk.

Rangers I don’t think should be left off ranger weapons, so long as monks can use em I’m fine with it.

macxdmg wrote: Hey transmute thread this time! Yay!

Bracers of Supreme Archery reprint from 5 years ago

Shiriken Holsters : +4 to to hit with range +2 to damage

+3 Shuriken 4/5/6/7 +3 damage related to theme ... is there a good rusted iron, sea shell, or Viking related type? Cold? Just more damage? Fighter ranger rogue monk

+5 Shurikeen same as before, but now it does bonus sonic and is considered keen (add 1 to crit range so 19-20 or 18-20 in some cases). Fighter ranger rogue monk.

Rangers I don’t think should be left off ranger weapons, so long as monks can use em I’m fine with it.

Why are you adding Rangers to shuriken?