TOPIC: Transmute Token Ideas

Ok, back to Dragon Orbs... Here is an idea I don't think I've seen thrown out.

Lesser Dragon Orb - counts as an Arcanum Set piece and allows subclass access 1/year

Greater Dragon Orb - counts as an Arcanum Set piece as well as Eldritch Set piece and allows subclass access 1/year

Does not add an extra level to either Set, just allows token flexibility and an opportunity to access the Arcanum Set bonus(es) earlier and a (likely extra) use of the subclasses

Fiddy wrote: Ok, back to Dragon Orbs... Here is an idea I don't think I've seen thrown out.

Lesser Dragon Orb - counts as an Arcanum Set piece and allows subclass access 1/year

Greater Dragon Orb - counts as an Arcanum Set piece as well as Eldritch Set piece and allows subclass access 1/year

Does not add an extra level to either Set, just allows token flexibility and an opportunity to access the Arcanum Set bonus(es) earlier and a (likely extra) use of the subclasses

4 hours and no replies for or against? This must be the most perfect design ever.

Though it would mean we have to start the Arcanum set bonuses several years earlier than tptb were anticipating.

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: Though it would mean we have to start the Arcanum set bonuses several years earlier than tptb were anticipating.

Only if they weren't already planning this.

Fiddy wrote:

Fiddy wrote: Ok, back to Dragon Orbs... Here is an idea I don't think I've seen thrown out.

Lesser Dragon Orb - counts as an Arcanum Set piece and allows subclass access 1/year

Greater Dragon Orb - counts as an Arcanum Set piece as well as Eldritch Set piece and allows subclass access 1/year

Does not add an extra level to either Set, just allows token flexibility and an opportunity to access the Arcanum Set bonus(es) earlier and a (likely extra) use of the subclasses

4 hours and no replies for or against? This must be the most perfect design ever.

Count me as a vote against. Giving access to subclasses and counting as both Arcanum and Eldritch pieces seems uber powerful to me, essentially replacing both the Rod of Seven Parts and whatever the toughest Arcanum item is, in addition to getting a jump start on Arcanum level bonuses.

Plus, it seems to have nothing to do with Dragons, which means no geeky fun.

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Mike Steele wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Fiddy wrote: Ok, back to Dragon Orbs... Here is an idea I don't think I've seen thrown out.

Lesser Dragon Orb - counts as an Arcanum Set piece and allows subclass access 1/year

Greater Dragon Orb - counts as an Arcanum Set piece as well as Eldritch Set piece and allows subclass access 1/year

Does not add an extra level to either Set, just allows token flexibility and an opportunity to access the Arcanum Set bonus(es) earlier and a (likely extra) use of the subclasses

4 hours and no replies for or against? This must be the most perfect design ever.

Count me as a vote against. Giving access to subclasses and counting as both Arcanum and Eldritch pieces seems uber powerful to me, essentially replacing both the Rod of Seven Parts and whatever the toughest Arcanum item is, in addition to getting a jump start on Arcanum level bonuses.

Plus, it seems to have nothing to do with Dragons, which means no geeky fun.

This just points that everyone hears something different when they see "uber-powerful". To me, uber-powerful would be more powerful than a Legendary or Grand Eldritch. This suggestion is neither in my mind.

You can't really claim this is "essentially replacing both the Rod of Seven Parts and whatever the toughest Arcanum item is" when it doesn't include the other bonuses those tokens provide. The Rod does more than just count as a piece of the set and provide access to the subclasses. It also gives at minimum +1 to all saves and +1 HP. For most cases, it is also giving you and additional +1 to Fort and Ref, +1 to AC, +1 to ranged to-hit, +1 to melee to-hit and damage, and +5 HP. That is quite a bit that my proposed token doesn't give you. I'd expect that whatever toughest Arcanum piece will be will also have fairly interesting additional bonuses besides just being part of the Arcanum set.

Fiddy wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Fiddy wrote: Ok, back to Dragon Orbs... Here is an idea I don't think I've seen thrown out.

Lesser Dragon Orb - counts as an Arcanum Set piece and allows subclass access 1/year

Greater Dragon Orb - counts as an Arcanum Set piece as well as Eldritch Set piece and allows subclass access 1/year

Does not add an extra level to either Set, just allows token flexibility and an opportunity to access the Arcanum Set bonus(es) earlier and a (likely extra) use of the subclasses

4 hours and no replies for or against? This must be the most perfect design ever.

Count me as a vote against. Giving access to subclasses and counting as both Arcanum and Eldritch pieces seems uber powerful to me, essentially replacing both the Rod of Seven Parts and whatever the toughest Arcanum item is, in addition to getting a jump start on Arcanum level bonuses.

Plus, it seems to have nothing to do with Dragons, which means no geeky fun.

This just points that everyone hears something different when they see "uber-powerful". To me, uber-powerful would be more powerful than a Legendary or Grand Eldritch. This suggestion is neither in my mind.

You can't really claim this is "essentially replacing both the Rod of Seven Parts and whatever the toughest Arcanum item is" when it doesn't include the other bonuses those tokens provide. The Rod does more than just count as a piece of the set and provide access to the subclasses. It also gives at minimum +1 to all saves and +1 HP. For most cases, it is also giving you and additional +1 to Fort and Ref, +1 to AC, +1 to ranged to-hit, +1 to melee to-hit and damage, and +5 HP. That is quite a bit that my proposed token doesn't give you. I'd expect that whatever toughest Arcanum piece will be will also have fairly interesting additional bonuses besides just being part of the Arcanum set.

Sorry but I will also post against this idea.

The ability to gain set bonuses from TWO different high level sets is already a very powerful option. In addition to that giving access to sub classes, an ability only offered by two specific tokens in the game, both of which are 7 year crafting tokens definitely falls on the Uber Powerful ability feel to me.

It doesn't feel like nerdy fun in that design, it's purely power and replicating extremely high token abilities.

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Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Fiddy wrote: Ok, back to Dragon Orbs... Here is an idea I don't think I've seen thrown out.

Lesser Dragon Orb - counts as an Arcanum Set piece and allows subclass access 1/year

Greater Dragon Orb - counts as an Arcanum Set piece as well as Eldritch Set piece and allows subclass access 1/year

Does not add an extra level to either Set, just allows token flexibility and an opportunity to access the Arcanum Set bonus(es) earlier and a (likely extra) use of the subclasses

4 hours and no replies for or against? This must be the most perfect design ever.

Count me as a vote against. Giving access to subclasses and counting as both Arcanum and Eldritch pieces seems uber powerful to me, essentially replacing both the Rod of Seven Parts and whatever the toughest Arcanum item is, in addition to getting a jump start on Arcanum level bonuses.

Plus, it seems to have nothing to do with Dragons, which means no geeky fun.

This just points that everyone hears something different when they see "uber-powerful". To me, uber-powerful would be more powerful than a Legendary or Grand Eldritch. This suggestion is neither in my mind.

You can't really claim this is "essentially replacing both the Rod of Seven Parts and whatever the toughest Arcanum item is" when it doesn't include the other bonuses those tokens provide. The Rod does more than just count as a piece of the set and provide access to the subclasses. It also gives at minimum +1 to all saves and +1 HP. For most cases, it is also giving you and additional +1 to Fort and Ref, +1 to AC, +1 to ranged to-hit, +1 to melee to-hit and damage, and +5 HP. That is quite a bit that my proposed token doesn't give you. I'd expect that whatever toughest Arcanum piece will be will also have fairly interesting additional bonuses besides just being part of the Arcanum set.

Sorry but I will also post against this idea.

The ability to gain set bonuses from TWO different high level sets is already a very powerful option. In addition to that giving access to sub classes, an ability only offered by two specific tokens in the game, both of which are 7 year crafting tokens definitely falls on the Uber Powerful ability feel to me.

It doesn't feel like nerdy fun in that design, it's purely power and replicating extremely high token abilities.

Ok. Let's skip specific powers for now and skip the 5-year for now. Where in the spectrum of overall power do you feel like the 8-year Dragon Orb transmute should be? Because it sounds like you are arguing that it should be weaker than the 7-year transmutes that take less support to TD to acquire.

So should they be at the level of a 4-year Eldritch Relic?
How about a single-year Relic?
Just a UR?
Exhalted?
Somewhere else?

Fiddy wrote: Ok, back to Dragon Orbs... Here is an idea I don't think I've seen thrown out.

Lesser Dragon Orb - counts as an Arcanum Set piece and allows subclass access 1/year

Greater Dragon Orb - counts as an Arcanum Set piece as well as Eldritch Set piece and allows subclass access 1/year

Does not add an extra level to either Set, just allows token flexibility and an opportunity to access the Arcanum Set bonus(es) earlier and a (likely extra) use of the subclasses

This will be funny given the other posts above, but I wouldn’t prefer this due to its lack of utility (or power?) to me.

For most people who would own this token, this would amount to:

Slotless +1 to damage and +2 to spell healing, and may access RoSP classes a 2nd (or 3rd?) time per year.

As someone who never uses their full RoSP class allocation, it’s just the numeric bonuses, assuming the Eldritch Set bonuses would be expanded to 6 pieces, which is not a given.

It also assumes the existence of an arcanum set bonus, which is also not a given.

Finally it’s a flavor mismatch.

I've stated before that I feel a "not uber powerful" effect for the dragon orbs that is nerdy fun should be about on par with an Ultra Rare token.

Having it on par with a 7 year Eldritch token, one of which is the most expensive token in the game, definitely triggers in my books as Uber powerful.