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Gamehole email 6/7/21 5 months 3 weeks ago #49

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: Ultimately, yes, people could fake a "vaccine card" or passport and get away with it.


Unfortunately, too many people have been duped into believing that vaccine cards are literally Hitler that there's very little chance that vaccine passports will be taken seriously by enough Americans for them to become a reliable driver of public policy.
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Gamehole email 6/7/21 5 months 3 weeks ago #50

Allen John wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: Ultimately, yes, people could fake a "vaccine card" or passport and get away with it.


Unfortunately, too many people have been duped into believing that vaccine cards are literally Hitler that there's very little chance that vaccine passports will be taken seriously by enough Americans for them to become a reliable driver of public policy.


It doesn't help that you could buy stacks of blank vaccination record cards on Amazon until a week or so ago. It looks like they may have removed those items, but they were up for a while.
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Gamehole email 6/7/21 5 months 3 weeks ago #51

bpsymington wrote:

Rebeg wrote:

jpotter wrote:

Rebeg wrote: Also note, there are pending lawsuits in Wisconsin challenging the validity of those passports and civil rights.


Seeing as we've made vaccinations a requirement for attending public school for decades, those lawsuits are doomed and a ridiculous waste of time.

Are they now?

Alabama bans businesses and government entities across the state from requiring coronavirus vaccine passports.

Florida no state government entity is allowed to issue "vaccine passports, vaccine passes or other standardized documentation for the purpose of certifying an individual's COVID-19 vaccination status to a third party." The order also prohibits businesses from requiring similar documentation to enter or get services from a business.

Iowa bans businesses and government entities across the state from requiring coronavirus vaccine passports. State grants and contracts will be barred from any group of company that violates this law.

Illinois will not create a way for residents to show they have been vaccinated.

Texas bans businesses in Texas from requiring proof of vaccination from its customers.

Of these 5 I listed, there are another 18 states with varying laws prohibiting the use of, or out right issuing covid passports by government agencies . Remember, public schools are state government run.


And they (regarding private businesses) are all unconstitutional.


Yes, under the state laws passed, private business can not discriminate against people who have not been vaccinated.

As was stated when Alabama passed theirs.

“to prevent the creation of a discriminatory society based on vaccination status.”

Hate to say it, deigning people based on vaccination status is a form of discrimination. Same as Whites only, or no Jews. You can chop it up to "Well we need to protect...", but in the end, it's still discrimination.

Another way to think of it. Should HIV positive people be refused jobs because they could get injured and infect others? Or allowed to partake in social events because we need to stop the spread?
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Gamehole email 6/7/21 5 months 3 weeks ago #52

“Under everything that we’ve seen, and the guidance from agencies like the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and the Department of Education, it’s been stated that just like how [colleges] can require other vaccines like meningitis and measles and hepatitis for incoming students, that they could require this vaccine as well,” she explains. “The EEOC’s guidance that came out in December made it clear and paved the way to say that employers can mandate vaccines and that this isn’t considered a medical examination, which is prohibited by the Americans with Disabilities Act.”
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Gamehole email 6/7/21 5 months 3 weeks ago #53

Rebeg wrote:

bpsymington wrote:

Rebeg wrote:

jpotter wrote:

Rebeg wrote: Also note, there are pending lawsuits in Wisconsin challenging the validity of those passports and civil rights.


Seeing as we've made vaccinations a requirement for attending public school for decades, those lawsuits are doomed and a ridiculous waste of time.

Are they now?

Alabama bans businesses and government entities across the state from requiring coronavirus vaccine passports.

Florida no state government entity is allowed to issue "vaccine passports, vaccine passes or other standardized documentation for the purpose of certifying an individual's COVID-19 vaccination status to a third party." The order also prohibits businesses from requiring similar documentation to enter or get services from a business.

Iowa bans businesses and government entities across the state from requiring coronavirus vaccine passports. State grants and contracts will be barred from any group of company that violates this law.

Illinois will not create a way for residents to show they have been vaccinated.

Texas bans businesses in Texas from requiring proof of vaccination from its customers.

Of these 5 I listed, there are another 18 states with varying laws prohibiting the use of, or out right issuing covid passports by government agencies . Remember, public schools are state government run.


And they (regarding private businesses) are all unconstitutional.


Yes, under the state laws passed, private business can not discriminate against people who have not been vaccinated.

As was stated when Alabama passed theirs.

“to prevent the creation of a discriminatory society based on vaccination status.”

Hate to say it, deigning people based on vaccination status is a form of discrimination. Same as Whites only, or no Jews. You can chop it up to "Well we need to protect...", but in the end, it's still discrimination.

Another way to think of it. Should HIV positive people be refused jobs because they could get injured and infect others? Or allowed to partake in social events because we need to stop the spread?


People can choose to be vaccinated or not, so it isn't discrimination. Schools and employers have been able to require vaccinations before, and those requirements have stood up to court challenges. They are only required to make reasonable accommodations, and it usually based on religious beliefs. Attending a convention isn't a right, and asking the attendees to make a choice in order to be able to attend isn't discrimination.
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Gamehole email 6/7/21 5 months 3 weeks ago #54

I regret starting this thread, as it was meant to share info in case some people were considering attending GHC but weren't on the mailing list. I have zero problem with this whole thing being locked or deleted.
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Gamehole email 6/7/21 5 months 3 weeks ago #55

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Rebeg wrote:

bpsymington wrote:

Rebeg wrote:

jpotter wrote:

Rebeg wrote: Also note, there are pending lawsuits in Wisconsin challenging the validity of those passports and civil rights.


Seeing as we've made vaccinations a requirement for attending public school for decades, those lawsuits are doomed and a ridiculous waste of time.

Are they now?

Alabama bans businesses and government entities across the state from requiring coronavirus vaccine passports.

Florida no state government entity is allowed to issue "vaccine passports, vaccine passes or other standardized documentation for the purpose of certifying an individual's COVID-19 vaccination status to a third party." The order also prohibits businesses from requiring similar documentation to enter or get services from a business.

Iowa bans businesses and government entities across the state from requiring coronavirus vaccine passports. State grants and contracts will be barred from any group of company that violates this law.

Illinois will not create a way for residents to show they have been vaccinated.

Texas bans businesses in Texas from requiring proof of vaccination from its customers.

Of these 5 I listed, there are another 18 states with varying laws prohibiting the use of, or out right issuing covid passports by government agencies . Remember, public schools are state government run.


And they (regarding private businesses) are all unconstitutional.


Yes, under the state laws passed, private business can not discriminate against people who have not been vaccinated.

As was stated when Alabama passed theirs.

“to prevent the creation of a discriminatory society based on vaccination status.”

Hate to say it, deigning people based on vaccination status is a form of discrimination. Same as Whites only, or no Jews. You can chop it up to "Well we need to protect...", but in the end, it's still discrimination.

Another way to think of it. Should HIV positive people be refused jobs because they could get injured and infect others? Or allowed to partake in social events because we need to stop the spread?


Vaccination status is not a protected class. These state laws are unconstitutional. The question is whether or not a business is willing to take up the costs of a legal challenge to them.
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Gamehole email 6/7/21 5 months 3 weeks ago #56

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balthasar wrote:

Rebeg wrote:

bpsymington wrote:

Rebeg wrote:

jpotter wrote:

Rebeg wrote: Also note, there are pending lawsuits in Wisconsin challenging the validity of those passports and civil rights.


Seeing as we've made vaccinations a requirement for attending public school for decades, those lawsuits are doomed and a ridiculous waste of time.

Are they now?

Alabama bans businesses and government entities across the state from requiring coronavirus vaccine passports.

Florida no state government entity is allowed to issue "vaccine passports, vaccine passes or other standardized documentation for the purpose of certifying an individual's COVID-19 vaccination status to a third party." The order also prohibits businesses from requiring similar documentation to enter or get services from a business.

Iowa bans businesses and government entities across the state from requiring coronavirus vaccine passports. State grants and contracts will be barred from any group of company that violates this law.

Illinois will not create a way for residents to show they have been vaccinated.

Texas bans businesses in Texas from requiring proof of vaccination from its customers.

Of these 5 I listed, there are another 18 states with varying laws prohibiting the use of, or out right issuing covid passports by government agencies . Remember, public schools are state government run.


And they (regarding private businesses) are all unconstitutional.


Yes, under the state laws passed, private business can not discriminate against people who have not been vaccinated.

As was stated when Alabama passed theirs.

“to prevent the creation of a discriminatory society based on vaccination status.”

Hate to say it, deigning people based on vaccination status is a form of discrimination. Same as Whites only, or no Jews. You can chop it up to "Well we need to protect...", but in the end, it's still discrimination.

Another way to think of it. Should HIV positive people be refused jobs because they could get injured and infect others? Or allowed to partake in social events because we need to stop the spread?


People can choose to be vaccinated or not, so it isn't discrimination. Schools and employers have been able to require vaccinations before, and those requirements have stood up to court challenges. They are only required to make reasonable accommodations, and it usually based on religious beliefs. Attending a convention isn't a right, and asking the attendees to make a choice in order to be able to attend isn't discrimination.


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Gamehole email 6/7/21 5 months 3 weeks ago #57

bpsymington wrote:

Rebeg wrote:

bpsymington wrote:

Rebeg wrote:

jpotter wrote:

Rebeg wrote: Also note, there are pending lawsuits in Wisconsin challenging the validity of those passports and civil rights.


Seeing as we've made vaccinations a requirement for attending public school for decades, those lawsuits are doomed and a ridiculous waste of time.

Are they now?

Alabama bans businesses and government entities across the state from requiring coronavirus vaccine passports.

Florida no state government entity is allowed to issue "vaccine passports, vaccine passes or other standardized documentation for the purpose of certifying an individual's COVID-19 vaccination status to a third party." The order also prohibits businesses from requiring similar documentation to enter or get services from a business.

Iowa bans businesses and government entities across the state from requiring coronavirus vaccine passports. State grants and contracts will be barred from any group of company that violates this law.

Illinois will not create a way for residents to show they have been vaccinated.

Texas bans businesses in Texas from requiring proof of vaccination from its customers.

Of these 5 I listed, there are another 18 states with varying laws prohibiting the use of, or out right issuing covid passports by government agencies . Remember, public schools are state government run.


And they (regarding private businesses) are all unconstitutional.


Yes, under the state laws passed, private business can not discriminate against people who have not been vaccinated.

As was stated when Alabama passed theirs.

“to prevent the creation of a discriminatory society based on vaccination status.”

Hate to say it, deigning people based on vaccination status is a form of discrimination. Same as Whites only, or no Jews. You can chop it up to "Well we need to protect...", but in the end, it's still discrimination.

Another way to think of it. Should HIV positive people be refused jobs because they could get injured and infect others? Or allowed to partake in social events because we need to stop the spread?


Vaccination status is not a protected class. These state laws are unconstitutional. The question is whether or not a business is willing to take up the costs of a legal challenge to them.


I'm curious, what part of the US Constitution do these State Laws violate? In what way are they unconstitutional?
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Gamehole email 6/7/21 5 months 3 weeks ago #58

balthasar wrote: I regret starting this thread, as it was meant to share info in case some people were considering attending GHC but weren't on the mailing list. I have zero problem with this whole thing being locked or deleted.


I'll start a thread for them....
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Gamehole email 6/7/21 5 months 3 weeks ago #59

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Mike Steele wrote:

bpsymington wrote:

Rebeg wrote:

bpsymington wrote:

Rebeg wrote:

jpotter wrote:

Rebeg wrote: Also note, there are pending lawsuits in Wisconsin challenging the validity of those passports and civil rights.


Seeing as we've made vaccinations a requirement for attending public school for decades, those lawsuits are doomed and a ridiculous waste of time.

Are they now?

Alabama bans businesses and government entities across the state from requiring coronavirus vaccine passports.

Florida no state government entity is allowed to issue "vaccine passports, vaccine passes or other standardized documentation for the purpose of certifying an individual's COVID-19 vaccination status to a third party." The order also prohibits businesses from requiring similar documentation to enter or get services from a business.

Iowa bans businesses and government entities across the state from requiring coronavirus vaccine passports. State grants and contracts will be barred from any group of company that violates this law.

Illinois will not create a way for residents to show they have been vaccinated.

Texas bans businesses in Texas from requiring proof of vaccination from its customers.

Of these 5 I listed, there are another 18 states with varying laws prohibiting the use of, or out right issuing covid passports by government agencies . Remember, public schools are state government run.


And they (regarding private businesses) are all unconstitutional.


Yes, under the state laws passed, private business can not discriminate against people who have not been vaccinated.

As was stated when Alabama passed theirs.

“to prevent the creation of a discriminatory society based on vaccination status.”

Hate to say it, deigning people based on vaccination status is a form of discrimination. Same as Whites only, or no Jews. You can chop it up to "Well we need to protect...", but in the end, it's still discrimination.

Another way to think of it. Should HIV positive people be refused jobs because they could get injured and infect others? Or allowed to partake in social events because we need to stop the spread?


Vaccination status is not a protected class. These state laws are unconstitutional. The question is whether or not a business is willing to take up the costs of a legal challenge to them.


I'm curious, what part of the US Constitution do these State Laws violate? In what way are they unconstitutional?


State governments can't regulate interstate commerce, for one thing.
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Gamehole email 6/7/21 5 months 3 weeks ago #60

bpsymington wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

bpsymington wrote:

Rebeg wrote:

bpsymington wrote:

Rebeg wrote:

jpotter wrote:

Rebeg wrote: Also note, there are pending lawsuits in Wisconsin challenging the validity of those passports and civil rights.


Seeing as we've made vaccinations a requirement for attending public school for decades, those lawsuits are doomed and a ridiculous waste of time.

Are they now?

Alabama bans businesses and government entities across the state from requiring coronavirus vaccine passports.

Florida no state government entity is allowed to issue "vaccine passports, vaccine passes or other standardized documentation for the purpose of certifying an individual's COVID-19 vaccination status to a third party." The order also prohibits businesses from requiring similar documentation to enter or get services from a business.

Iowa bans businesses and government entities across the state from requiring coronavirus vaccine passports. State grants and contracts will be barred from any group of company that violates this law.

Illinois will not create a way for residents to show they have been vaccinated.

Texas bans businesses in Texas from requiring proof of vaccination from its customers.

Of these 5 I listed, there are another 18 states with varying laws prohibiting the use of, or out right issuing covid passports by government agencies . Remember, public schools are state government run.


And they (regarding private businesses) are all unconstitutional.


Yes, under the state laws passed, private business can not discriminate against people who have not been vaccinated.

As was stated when Alabama passed theirs.

“to prevent the creation of a discriminatory society based on vaccination status.”

Hate to say it, deigning people based on vaccination status is a form of discrimination. Same as Whites only, or no Jews. You can chop it up to "Well we need to protect...", but in the end, it's still discrimination.

Another way to think of it. Should HIV positive people be refused jobs because they could get injured and infect others? Or allowed to partake in social events because we need to stop the spread?


Vaccination status is not a protected class. These state laws are unconstitutional. The question is whether or not a business is willing to take up the costs of a legal challenge to them.


I'm curious, what part of the US Constitution do these State Laws violate? In what way are they unconstitutional?


State governments can't regulate interstate commerce, for one thing.


Are these laws doing that though? They seem to apply to businesses within their borders.
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