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TOPIC: 2021 Fighter Relic/Legendary Almost Final!

2021 Fighter Relic/Legendary Almost Final! 1 year 10 months ago #61

Ok we just need to call it the "Hurticane".

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2021 Fighter Relic/Legendary Almost Final! 1 year 10 months ago #62

FatalDrakkon wrote: Ok we just need to call it the "Hurticane".
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Or...

D&D teaches all the important lessons in life - the low blow, the cheap shot, the back stab, the double cross. - Jerry Marsischky

Let them trap us. We have our swords. - Elric of Melnibone.

You try to get them to play the game, but all they want to do is play the rules. - Ardak Kumerian

I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend - Faramir
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2021 Fighter Relic/Legendary Almost Final! 1 year 10 months ago #63

What about Double Strike?
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2021 Fighter Relic/Legendary Almost Final! 1 year 10 months ago #64

FatalDrakkon wrote: Ok we just need to call it the "Hurticane".


I learned this technique from Ameri-do-te's Master Ken, he has an 11th degree Black Belt.


Or Boot to the Head.

D&D teaches all the important lessons in life - the low blow, the cheap shot, the back stab, the double cross. - Jerry Marsischky

Let them trap us. We have our swords. - Elric of Melnibone.

You try to get them to play the game, but all they want to do is play the rules. - Ardak Kumerian

I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend - Faramir
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2021 Fighter Relic/Legendary Almost Final! 1 year 10 months ago #65

Wade Schwendemann wrote: What about Double Strike?


I think you're onto something...

Lighting Attack

Thunder Attack

I mean, the BB was already chanting this in pretty much every dungeon last year.

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2021 Fighter Relic/Legendary Almost Final! 1 year 10 months ago #66

I think it shows that fighters are on board an good to go with this iteration when the only thing we are debating is the mechanic name
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2021 Fighter Relic/Legendary Almost Final! 1 year 10 months ago #67

Five fingers on their own are easily broken, but form then into a fist and you have much more power.
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2021 Fighter Relic/Legendary Almost Final! 1 year 10 months ago #68

The Fighter Legendary is better, I like it. But the Relic is too strong.

All UR neck items to date have been +6 or +7 to stats. Normally relics are a small step up (+1 to hit/damage for weapons, +2 AC (Ring of Protection +4), or +5 DEX (Moonhide Robe) to +7 DEX and +3 INT (Moonhide Robe).

This Relic goes from +7 to stats (UR) to +14 to stats (Relic) and also gives a bonus to reflex saves. My suggestion: drop the +3 to DEX bonus from the token.
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2021 Fighter Relic/Legendary Almost Final! 1 year 10 months ago #69

Kirk Bauer wrote: The Fighter Legendary is better, I like it. But the Relic is too strong.
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Oh hell no.



We have been over and over and over this. Through many multiple iterations. How many bites at this apple can there be?


Can we please lock this down.
D&D teaches all the important lessons in life - the low blow, the cheap shot, the back stab, the double cross. - Jerry Marsischky

Let them trap us. We have our swords. - Elric of Melnibone.

You try to get them to play the game, but all they want to do is play the rules. - Ardak Kumerian

I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend - Faramir
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2021 Fighter Relic/Legendary Almost Final! 1 year 10 months ago #70

SnakeEyes (Eric) wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: What about Double Strike?


I think you're onto something...

Lighting Attack

Thunder Attack

I mean, the BB was already chanting this in pretty much every dungeon last year.


D&D teaches all the important lessons in life - the low blow, the cheap shot, the back stab, the double cross. - Jerry Marsischky

Let them trap us. We have our swords. - Elric of Melnibone.

You try to get them to play the game, but all they want to do is play the rules. - Ardak Kumerian

I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend - Faramir
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2021 Fighter Relic/Legendary Almost Final! 1 year 10 months ago #71

Kirk Bauer wrote: The Fighter Legendary is better, I like it. But the Relic is too strong.

All UR neck items to date have been +6 or +7 to stats. Normally relics are a small step up (+1 to hit/damage for weapons, +2 AC (Ring of Protection +4), or +5 DEX (Moonhide Robe) to +7 DEX and +3 INT (Moonhide Robe).

This Relic goes from +7 to stats (UR) to +14 to stats (Relic) and also gives a bonus to reflex saves. My suggestion: drop the +3 to DEX bonus from the token.


Seriously late to the discussion, Kirk. If you go back through the threads, we have tread, re-tread, adjusted stats, and came to this consenus which has not changed in the past two iterations of the Relic. But I'll indulge. Here's our reasoning...

First, you're talking about the jump in relic stats being too great. But you're also talking about relics that apply to other classes. These non-Fighter classes have other powers and abilities at their disposal that are enhanced by the stat boost. Fighers do NOT enjoy a host of abilities that allow them to do special attacks or add to their damage. Any stat boost simply helps us hit on a normal sliding attack or raise our AC (which is irrelevant at the Relic or Legendary level.) So despite a higher numbers, the stat boost it's not doing as much for Fighters as it would for other classes.

Second, the Dex is based directly on Stupendous Pendant (which was the initial baseline for the token) which is a token that puts Fighters in a position to use Thor's Hammer. I can't imagine Legendary Fighters not being able to use Thor's when even a Wizard can do it relatively easily.
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2021 Fighter Relic/Legendary Almost Final! 1 year 10 months ago #72

SnakeEyes (Eric) wrote:

Kirk Bauer wrote: The Fighter Legendary is better, I like it. But the Relic is too strong.


Seriously late to the discussion, Kirk. If you go back through the threads, we have tread, re-tread, adjusted stats, and came to this consenus which has not changed in the past two iterations of the Relic. But I'll indulge. Here's our reasoning...

First, you're talking about the jump in relic stats being too great. But you're also talking about relics that apply to other classes. These non-Fighter classes have other powers and abilities at their disposal that are enhanced by the stat boost. Fighers do NOT enjoy a host of abilities that allow them to do special attacks or add to their damage. Any stat boost simply helps us hit on a normal sliding attack or raise our AC (which is irrelevant at the Relic or Legendary level.) So despite a higher numbers, the stat boost it's not doing as much for Fighters as it would for other classes.

Second, the Dex is based directly on Stupendous Pendant (which was the initial baseline for the token) which is a token that puts Fighters in a position to use Thor's Hammer. I can't imagine Legendary Fighters not being able to use Thor's when even a Wizard can do it relatively easily.


He’s not that late. He made THE EXACT SAME PROPOSAL a few iterations ago, which doesn’t make it any more persuasive now.
D&D teaches all the important lessons in life - the low blow, the cheap shot, the back stab, the double cross. - Jerry Marsischky

Let them trap us. We have our swords. - Elric of Melnibone.

You try to get them to play the game, but all they want to do is play the rules. - Ardak Kumerian

I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend - Faramir
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