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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 1 year 3 months ago #301

Jeff Martin wrote: Speaking of changing Mike's Spectacles...after some private convo I have decided to re-do the items as shown below. I think it is a nice homage to Mike's tech work of late and create a "Weird Magic" artifact from both the V-series and S1.

Behold!


This is cool! Does this make Mike a beholder?
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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 1 year 3 months ago #302

Jeff Martin wrote: Speaking of changing Mike's Spectacles...after some private convo I have decided to re-do the items as shown below. I think it is a nice homage to Mike's tech work of late and create a "Weird Magic" artifact from both the V-series and S1.

Behold!


This thread is long, would have preferred a lock and new thread first.

So, one of the things I don't do as often as I should is try to find the common currency between tokens. This token is essentially saying you gain +6 damage each room, you might gain another FoP, and you might do some puzzle thing that can't really be analyzed.

+6 damage per room is, what, +2 damage per round? So, eye slot that gives +2 damage per round and whatever Charisma bump would do. That sounds far less terrible to me than how I think it reads to people. Damage is usually better than to hit at this rarity, so this should be better than giving +2 to hit.

I don't like the line break being at non-
magical
when there's this much text. Could look to flip abilities so that Charisma is second or use a longer word than shoot, like radiate or project (even though emit is more accurate) then reduce damage to dmg.
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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 1 year 3 months ago #303

Beertram wrote:

OrionW wrote:

Beertram wrote: Sorry, I know this thread is for druid bashing, but I didn't know where else to post this...

What's up with the truedungeon.com/transmuted on the MEC?


It is the starting point for the current incarnation of the Wizard Legendary.


Thanks for being Mr. Obvious and not bothering to look at the image... NightGod too... Sorry, not wanting to be mean, but I was pointing out a flaw in the token as Jeff asked us to do in these threads...


Reported on 20 pages back, assumption was you'd missed the change in the Wizard relic
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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 1 year 3 months ago #304

Beertram wrote:

OrionW wrote:

Beertram wrote: Sorry, I know this thread is for druid bashing, but I didn't know where else to post this...

What's up with the truedungeon.com/transmuted on the MEC?


It is the starting point for the current incarnation of the Wizard Legendary.


Thanks for being Mr. Obvious and not bothering to look at the image... NightGod too... Sorry, not wanting to be mean, but I was pointing out a flaw in the token as Jeff asked us to do in these threads...


Beertram- do you mean the 'd' falling off, and the distressed circle?
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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 1 year 3 months ago #305

Jeff Martin wrote:

Graven wrote:

Endgame wrote: Psyferre's Spectacles
If the intent of +5 cha is to get an extra figurine, just give it +1 figurine (allowing 3 on Bards and Paladins)......


I think the +5 Char might be a flavor thing to rep the person the token's named for.


It will also allow most classes to equip another Figurine of Power...which can be a good thing!

The one exception is the Dwarf Fighter who must equip Psyferre’s and Crown of Charisma.
Is there a reason we don’t want Psyferre’s to be +7 CHA? Does the number 5 mean something to Mike?
I play Wizard.
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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 1 year 3 months ago #306

Arnold wrote:

Beertram wrote:

OrionW wrote:

Beertram wrote: Sorry, I know this thread is for druid bashing, but I didn't know where else to post this...

What's up with the truedungeon.com/transmuted on the MEC?


It is the starting point for the current incarnation of the Wizard Legendary.


Thanks for being Mr. Obvious and not bothering to look at the image... NightGod too... Sorry, not wanting to be mean, but I was pointing out a flaw in the token as Jeff asked us to do in these threads...


Beertram- do you mean the 'd' falling off, and the distressed circle?


Yeah, that was what I was referring to... sorry if I got snippy.
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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 1 year 3 months ago #307

Jeff Martin wrote: Speaking of changing Mike's Spectacles...after some private convo I have decided to re-do the items as shown below. I think it is a nice homage to Mike's tech work of late and create a "Weird Magic" artifact from both the V-series and S1.

Behold!


Take that to print. I would use that token.
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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 1 year 3 months ago #308

Graven wrote:

Endgame wrote: Psyferre's Spectacles
If the intent of +5 cha is to get an extra figurine, just give it +1 figurine (allowing 3 on Bards and Paladins)......


I think the +5 Char might be a flavor thing to rep the person the token's named for.


Should we make it +7 then, to give the DF a 2nd FoP?

Jeff Martin wrote: Speaking of changing Mike's Spectacles...after some private convo I have decided to re-do the items as shown below. I think it is a nice homage to Mike's tech work of late and create a "Weird Magic" artifact from both the V-series and S1.

Behold!


Much better! Plus 1 Fop is probably better than +5 CHA, and more future proofed.

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

OrionW wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

OrionW wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: Agree to Disagree.

If you want to run simulations on the interaction of every token currently on the list and every suggested change on every token to see what it does to Druid damage against other tokens go for it. I don't see it as a worthwhile exercise given how much change we have seen recently but you may find differently.

I do have to admit I am curious tho what you would consider a proper place for the Druid to be at the end of token development?

Do you feel Druids should have the highest spell damage?
Do you feel Druids should have the highest healing?
Do you feel Druids should have the highest melee damage?

How far above or below the next ranked class do you feel the damage/spelldamage/healing should realistically be?


I wasn't focusing on the Druid, I think it would be worthwhile to see how all the classes match up. Ideally that kind of analysis could happen at the start of the process and towards the end.

I don't think that the Druid should be the best healer, that is clearly going to be the Cleric. I don't think the Druid should do the most spell damage, that is clearly the Wizard. I think there's no way the Druid will be tops at Melee, that I think is clearly the Monk and Ranger currently.

I also don't think the Druid should be incorrectly claimed as the most overpowered class when it clearly isn't, and either be left off of tokens or have tokens they are on nerfed because there is a misconception that they are more powerful than they are.


You lack proof.

You make a lot of comments, you provide no proof to back it up.

Tokens Druid are on aren't nerfed because of a misconception of the class being overpowered. They are nerfed because a free action healing spell in combat is way different than a free action damage spell in combat. A free action party buff is different from a free action direct damage spell. The token is nerfed to allow Druids to have it without adding unintended actions that would never happen with the intended design class.


I think this might be a good time to remind folks that Druids did not complain that Wizards could use the UR that started the Druid Legendary transmute. :)

(To be fair I did not complain in part because I also occasionally play an Elf Wizard).


And I will remind you that the Druids gained polymorph damage on their Baton of Focus but Wizards were denied it.

Burning a spell to polymorph is not the same thing as gaining access to free action level 1 damage spells.

False equivalence fallacy


Focus is a mess. All focus items should be healing, spell damage, and polymorph damage.

I want to see fun items. Free action spells are fun. I own a ring of spell storing because they are fun. I want to see more free action spells. This new ring is not going to make Druids the top damage dealing class in the game.

I would also note that Druids have In the last few years (along with clerics) had their power reduced: LoDS change, the Polymoph shape limit, the Eldritch Set bonus redesign in regards to healing. I think it is OK to give them some nice things, and if the goal is to not ballon the total healing in the game it is not a terrible thing if a Druid uses some of the FA castings on damage.


If Druids get the Ring Wizards should too. If it's ok to grant druids +40 spell damage per round it should be ok for Wizards to as well.

Personally I think adding 40 spell damage per turn for spellcasters is too strong for an UR token but if other players are OK with it I say go for it.

If that's not OK then it needs to remove the Druid.


Agreed

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

macxdmg wrote: I’m sure I missed it, where did the ring of sacrifice go? It was an amazing MEC for healers that disappeared after it was nerfed, do we know why?


I think it just poofed because the last round revamp was so bad no one would use it. (deal 20, lose all HP down to 10. Was unusable)

I would consider using this ring if it was 20 sacred for 10 HP damage.

20.to go down to 10, no thanks

Guedoji wrote: Serious question, why do we argue over who does more damage?

Shouldn't we base this stuff on entertainment and fun? Why does it matter if someone can make some edge case build that out damages another class? It doesn't impact you if they are not in your group. Are people actually getting enjoyment out of being top DPS? Like what does that even do for the group other than kill things so quickly that others don't get get a shot?

I just don't understand the extreme level of number crunching, it's kinda killing the fun.


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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 1 year 3 months ago #309

Beertram wrote:

Arnold wrote:

Beertram wrote:

OrionW wrote:

Beertram wrote: Sorry, I know this thread is for druid bashing, but I didn't know where else to post this...

What's up with the truedungeon.com/transmuted on the MEC?


It is the starting point for the current incarnation of the Wizard Legendary.


Thanks for being Mr. Obvious and not bothering to look at the image... NightGod too... Sorry, not wanting to be mean, but I was pointing out a flaw in the token as Jeff asked us to do in these threads...


Beertram- do you mean the 'd' falling off, and the distressed circle?


Yeah, that was what I was referring to... sorry if I got snippy.


I just assumed it was more Druid bashing. I am getting used to it. ;)
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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 1 year 3 months ago #310

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Beertram wrote:

Arnold wrote:

Beertram wrote:

OrionW wrote:

Beertram wrote: Sorry, I know this thread is for druid bashing, but I didn't know where else to post this...

What's up with the truedungeon.com/transmuted on the MEC?


It is the starting point for the current incarnation of the Wizard Legendary.


Thanks for being Mr. Obvious and not bothering to look at the image... NightGod too... Sorry, not wanting to be mean, but I was pointing out a flaw in the token as Jeff asked us to do in these threads...


Beertram- do you mean the 'd' falling off, and the distressed circle?


Yeah, that was what I was referring to... sorry if I got snippy.

It's because the Evoker is Mad and that disturbed mental state carried over onto the token.
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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 1 year 3 months ago #311

OrionW wrote:

Beertram wrote:

Arnold wrote:

Beertram wrote:

OrionW wrote:

Beertram wrote: Sorry, I know this thread is for druid bashing, but I didn't know where else to post this...

What's up with the truedungeon.com/transmuted on the MEC?


It is the starting point for the current incarnation of the Wizard Legendary.


Thanks for being Mr. Obvious and not bothering to look at the image... NightGod too... Sorry, not wanting to be mean, but I was pointing out a flaw in the token as Jeff asked us to do in these threads...


Beertram- do you mean the 'd' falling off, and the distressed circle?


Yeah, that was what I was referring to... sorry if I got snippy.


I just assumed it was more Druid bashing. I am getting used to it. ;)


You are preaching to the choir... Druid has been my main class for several years... I choose to stay out of the class comparison discussions. I don't care how big your damage/Intelligence/contribution/knowledge is, I just want to have fun in the dungeon.
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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 1 year 3 months ago #312

NightGod wrote:

Beertram wrote:

Arnold wrote:

Beertram wrote:

OrionW wrote:

Beertram wrote: Sorry, I know this thread is for druid bashing, but I didn't know where else to post this...

What's up with the truedungeon.com/transmuted on the MEC?


It is the starting point for the current incarnation of the Wizard Legendary.


Thanks for being Mr. Obvious and not bothering to look at the image... NightGod too... Sorry, not wanting to be mean, but I was pointing out a flaw in the token as Jeff asked us to do in these threads...


Beertram- do you mean the 'd' falling off, and the distressed circle?


Yeah, that was what I was referring to... sorry if I got snippy.

It's because the Evoker is Mad and that disturbed mental state carried over onto the token.

That explains it. lol
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