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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 3 years 7 months ago #157

Today seems to be the day of Jeff saying yes to changes.

Jeff can I wear two neck items so I can use the AoTF and my Rogue Relic? I'll send you cookies!
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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 3 years 7 months ago #158

OrionW wrote: I don’t think the Druid hate is helpful in this thread. This is a post LoDS nerf world and there is room in parties for both Clerics and Druids. We should be able to come up with good suggestions without bashing on Druids.


Saying a class is already overpowered isn’t hate. Saying that Druids have gotten a lot more love than clerics for years isnt hate. Saying it’s okay for clerics to close the gap with Druids isn’t hate

"Ceci n'est pas une pipe" - Magritte
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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 3 years 7 months ago #159

Brad Mortensen wrote: “5/game” just seems tough to keep track of.

And I agree, it’s been nerfed to keep Druids on it.

I’d much rather no counting to five. Just say no damage spells.

Druids are better healers than clerics, and now they’ll be almost as good at spell damage as wizards. And they’re better at Polymorph than wizards. That all strikes me as super-unbalanced.

Bards are jack of all trades, masters at none (except singing). Druids are jack of all trades, masters of all. The simplest option is just take them off this ring. They have other toys. Sorry not sorry.

All that said, some of us have no ring slots to spare. My fingers are full of Focus and Eldritch for extra heals.


Brad, those statements just aren't accurate. Druids are certainly not the master of all trades. The only way they get close to Clerics in healing or Wizards in spell damage is if they use Charm of Spell Swapping to go all one direction or the other. Clerics have far better armor (as do several classes), better healing (especially with the Class Legendary), turn undead, they can restore both spells and powers, they can now resurrect and do Divine Intervention. Wizards have area effect damage spells, they do more spell damage then Druids, it's already been said they'll get spellbooks next year. It's possible Druids are best at polymorph, although someone wrote recently they thought Elf Wizards were better. But even best at polymorph is relatively low on the damage scale for other classes. Druids keep getting nerfed (like their class Legendary) because of incorrect statements like that.
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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 3 years 7 months ago #160

OrionW wrote: I don’t think the Druid hate is helpful in this thread. This is a post LoDS nerf world and there is room in parties for both Clerics and Druids. We should be able to come up with good suggestions without bashing on Druids.


I play Cleric. I play Druid too. I play a lot of classes. I ran as a Druid at least 8 times last season (I started keeping cards partway through last season just because I was curious). I suspect that is more playing as a Druid last season than many Druid mains. I had a blast. I want Druids to have nice things too, because I expect I'll keep playing them and I want to use nice things.

But I don't want Clerics to miss out on their nice things because Druids got added at the 11th hour and caused the nice thing to be overpowered.
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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 3 years 7 months ago #161

Limiting the Ring of Quick Blessings to non-damage spells seems like a reasonable solution to me.
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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 3 years 7 months ago #162

Brad Mortensen wrote:

OrionW wrote: I don’t think the Druid hate is helpful in this thread. This is a post LoDS nerf world and there is room in parties for both Clerics and Druids. We should be able to come up with good suggestions without bashing on Druids.


Saying a class is already overpowered isn’t hate. Saying that Druids have gotten a lot more love than clerics for years isnt hate. Saying it’s okay for clerics to close the gap with Druids isn’t hate


Brad, you keep saying Druids are overpowered and "master of all trades". Please provide a list of the areas you think Druids are "best" at. I think it will be pretty short. Actually, do you have any areas where Clerics and Druids overlap where Druids are better? And, I think "Sorry not sorry" counts as some Druid hate.
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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 3 years 7 months ago #163

BrainScan wrote: Limiting the Ring of Quick Blessings to non-damage spells seems like a reasonable solution to me.


I'd rather it not be nerfed for Druids any further.
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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 3 years 7 months ago #164

We’ve had this discussion many times before. You and I just don’t see things the same way. I think Matt would dispute some of your math, because I recall him proving Druids do more heals even without spell swapping, but I could be wrong. And I’m not even comparing the class-specific legendaries because 98% of players won’t have them.

Besides, the cleric ones aren’t even final and Druids got theirs three years ago, and it’s apparently going to get buffed so no point in bringing that up now. Outlook hazy, try again later.

Spoiler alert - if you didn’t notice, half the things you say clerics are better at (AC, turning) were 100% USELESS in VTD1.

But we’re off topic.

In summary, Jeff can do whatever he wants with the ring. Someone will be unhappy either way, might as well be clerics, as usual.

"Ceci n'est pas une pipe" - Magritte
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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 3 years 7 months ago #165

Jeff please go back to original design for the rings for Quick Blessings. Instead of per-game suggestions just make it non-damage spells only as most have suggested as the fix.

For some reasons druids have highjacked the cleric UR and now the nerds affect clerics! We have to wear both items to get the legendary full effect already.
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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 3 years 7 months ago #166

These look really great, here’s hoping they hold!
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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 3 years 7 months ago #167

I'd ask again for the Druids and maybe Clerics be added to the Ring of Power. It's a basic Spellcasting token, and it should have all the spellcasters on it. It doesn't seem overpowered to use it in each room for a healing spell, but if that's the reason the Druid and Cleric aren't on it, it can specify non-healing spells only.
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2021 Ultra Rare Almost Final! 3 years 7 months ago #168

Flik wrote: Jeff please go back to original design for the rings for Quick Blessings. Instead of per-game suggestions just make it non-damage spells only as most have suggested as the fix.

For some reasons druids have highjacked the cleric UR and now the nerds affect clerics! We have to wear both items to get the legendary full effect already.


What did the clerics want to do with the original version that they can't do with the new version? I don't play cleric, so the only thing that comes to mind is abusing it with the charm of spell swapping. Is there another reason the old version is better?
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