TOPIC: 2021: RE-PRINT Ideas?

+1 for mithral gauthlet (or a under a different name. Adamantium, quicksilver, Orichalcum, Uru, it doesnt matter it just has to be +4str gloves. Anything else wont work to be a reprint. Maybe you could get away with +2hit/+2damage and an elemental type and still have them feel the same but we have had

Gloves of finesse +3 hit (since hit is more valuable then damage or so someone said)

Gloves of the brute +5str/-2dex, which is arguably more powerful, but the negative will balance it or so someone said

Gauthlets of fury +5 dmg with two handers, not everyone uses two handers so it will help with class identity.

And everytime we make a new alternative we have to wait 3 year for it to "at least be out of print a while before we talk about a reprint". All the while a large number of people just keep asking for a simple +4 str gloves.

I've been watching this for nearly 10 years now, if we do it new melee gloves this year, let's finally put this to bed and just make then +4str.

Actually, I would be interested in some UR gloves that specifically help One handed weapons. I feel like we have many items that help 2 handed weapons, and I for one would like to see something that helps the "sword and board" style.

Perhaps +2 hit/+3 damage? Or something similar? Maybe +/- a typed damage?

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Actually, I would be interested in some UR gloves that specifically help One handed weapons. I feel like we have many items that help 2 handed weapons, and I for one would like to see something that helps the "sword and board" style.

Perhaps +2 hit/+3 damage? Or something similar? Maybe +/- a typed damage?

Balanced accordingly, a buff for one-handed without a shield could be cool too. Like a fencer or duelist.

Matthew Galambus wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Actually, I would be interested in some UR gloves that specifically help One handed weapons. I feel like we have many items that help 2 handed weapons, and I for one would like to see something that helps the "sword and board" style.

Perhaps +2 hit/+3 damage? Or something similar? Maybe +/- a typed damage?

Balanced accordingly, a buff for one-handed without a shield could be cool too. Like a fencer or duelist.

Last year I suggested a parrying blade as a offhand weapon. +1 melee damage, +1 ac. Adjust as appropriate for rarity.

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Actually, I would be interested in some UR gloves that specifically help One handed weapons. I feel like we have many items that help 2 handed weapons, and I for one would like to see something that helps the "sword and board" style.

Perhaps +2 hit/+3 damage? Or something similar? Maybe +/- a typed damage?

Not a bad idea, as long as it triggered the extra buff as long as you equipped a shield. Ex: Gloves of Bashing: +2 hit, +1 Melee damage. +2 melee damage if you equip a shield.

Overall though, if I can’t Have Mithral gloves, I would prefer gloves that buff str and dex. Probably +3 /+3.

Endgame wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Actually, I would be interested in some UR gloves that specifically help One handed weapons. I feel like we have many items that help 2 handed weapons, and I for one would like to see something that helps the "sword and board" style.

Perhaps +2 hit/+3 damage? Or something similar? Maybe +/- a typed damage?

Not a bad idea, as long as it triggered the extra buff as long as you equipped a shield. Ex: Gloves of Bashing: +2 hit, +1 Melee damage. +2 melee damage if you equip a shield.

Overall though, if I can’t Have Mithral gloves, I would prefer gloves that buff str and dex. Probably +3 /+3.

I think such gloves might be too good at +3/+3. That's a Stu-Pendous not in the neck slot.

As for the other glove proposal, would we want them to be useful if someone doesn't equip a shield? I suppose that would broaden their appeal.

The rapier is a decent idea, though I think of Brawler's horn as filling that role to some degree.

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Actually, I would be interested in some UR gloves that specifically help One handed weapons. I feel like we have many items that help 2 handed weapons, and I for one would like to see something that helps the "sword and board" style.

Perhaps +2 hit/+3 damage? Or something similar? Maybe +/- a typed damage?

Not a bad idea, as long as it triggered the extra buff as long as you equipped a shield. Ex: Gloves of Bashing: +2 hit, +1 Melee damage. +2 melee damage if you equip a shield.

Overall though, if I can’t Have Mithral gloves, I would prefer gloves that buff str and dex. Probably +3 /+3.

I think such gloves might be too good at +3/+3. That's a Stu-Pendous not in the neck slot.

As for the other glove proposal, would we want them to be useful if someone doesn't equip a shield? I suppose that would broaden their appeal.

The rapier is a decent idea, though I think of Brawler's horn as filling that role to some degree.

I’ve thought about the gloves options a fair Amount . There is no neck equivalent to gloves of the brute / cutpurse (buff 1 stat +5 and dump a stat you may not care about). I’m not sure if it’s to good or not, but I think Gloves at +2 str and +2 Dex wouldn’t be terribly popular so there isn’t a very large window to work with.

As a cleric, I really just want something without a Dex penalty, so Mithral Gauntlets work. If I can’t have that, something that buffs both ranged and melee attack in a single slot would be great, even at lesser values, as there aren’t that many slots that aren’t already taken in a cleric build. Honestly, If gloves of weapon expertise were +3 to both melee and ranged, I would already have them, but I couldn’t quite pull the trigger for a melee only buff.

Endgame wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

Endgame wrote: If the sapphire prism is reprinted, it could be the launching point for the first relic ioun Stone (though would there be room for one with the fighter, cleric, and wizards relics?).

I would propose upgrading the sapphire prism to

sapphire marquee: +2 all saves, +3 ac, or the reverse.

Tier upgrading Ioun Stones is a DANGEROUS idea with the number of Ioun Stone equip slots.

We are looking at 3 IS slots filled with nuggets, leaving 2. I’m not too worried about a +2 save +3 ac IS compared to, say, the topaz trilliant.

If your concern is loading up on slot expanders, let’s go ahead and print no more expanders and errata existing ones?

Endgame I think that this is a great idea, and one I've thought about many a time myself. I think that the best place to champion this though, for my own efforts, will be for the second piece of the Arcanum Set. After we craft the multi-year shirt we should do a muti-year ioun stone transmute as part of the set.

I agree that something without a Dex penalty might be what a lot of people are hoping for and a +2/+2 wouldn't be very popular (at UR)

I am not against a reprint (or functional) of mithral gauntlets either.

Wade Schwendemann wrote: As for the other glove proposal, would we want them to be useful if someone doesn't equip a shield? I suppose that would broaden their appeal.

If you don't require the shield, then you actually help dual-wielding Rangers and Monks more than sword-and-board. It'd be nice if that gap didn't keep growing.

Fiddy wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: As for the other glove proposal, would we want them to be useful if someone doesn't equip a shield? I suppose that would broaden their appeal.

If you don't require the shield, then you actually help dual-wielding Rangers and Monks more than sword-and-board. It'd be nice if that gap didn't keep growing.

I definitely think that gap is wide enough!

Fiddy wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: As for the other glove proposal, would we want them to be useful if someone doesn't equip a shield? I suppose that would broaden their appeal.

If you don't require the shield, then you actually help dual-wielding Rangers and Monks more than sword-and-board. It'd be nice if that gap didn't keep growing.

"While equipping only one usable 1 hand melee weapon"
"(May use shields or off hand items that are not weapons)"

That should eliminate the issue of Monk/Ranger power creep?