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Ioun Stone Jaspter Ellipsoid Discussion 9 months 3 weeks ago #37

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: If this is a Gencon completion token and I can determine which run it's given out on, that means I shift all of my hosted runs to specifically that dungeon, ignoring the other one.

If it's a GC only token and it's specific to one dungeon, and the other dungeon has a shit completion token how many people do we lose as potential players because they find out their 1 run in 2020 was the "wrong" one and didn't net them a free $80 token. Percieved loss of value is a thing.


Picking the correct Dungeon doesn't guarantee getting the right completion token. We got 20 of one of the GENCON completion tokens and zero of one I liked more even though we did each Dungeon one time.

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Ioun Stone Jaspter Ellipsoid Discussion 9 months 3 weeks ago #38

I tend to fall into the category of preferring fewer completion tokens, and share some of the views expressed by Brad and others. To my mind, a completion token is (or should be) directly related to the dungeon you have just run - the common treasure at the end. To this end, I feel that 3 completion tokens are enough - provided they have some relevance to the story you have just completed.

The continuing expansion of TD is great, and this also needs to be celebrated. Possibly each con could have it's own completion token in addition to the dungeon tokens. For all intents and purposes, this would be a symbol of having been to that con - more a collector's item than a functional token.

My final thought on completion tokens is that with a 4 year story arc, it would be great to get to the last dungeon, hand in one completion token from each dungeon in the arc, and get a Story Arc Completion Token - I know that this is in effect what the teeth represent, but transmuting a completion token from each run over the past 4 years to get a Arc Completion UR would be great.

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Ioun Stone Jaspter Ellipsoid Discussion 9 months 3 weeks ago #39

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Thats kind of what the story line relics are. They're just based on monster bits rather then completion tokens. We did have a transmute based on completion tokens once with the ring of heroism but thats been a while now so who knows if its likely to happen again. Could also be a fun thing to do with box only tokens. Or perhaps a completion token set such that 1 item was released each year as a completion token followed by a set bonus becoming available at the end of the story arc.
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Ioun Stone Jaspter Ellipsoid Discussion 9 months 2 weeks ago #40

I would rather see 5/7 completion tokens each year across ALL conventions. 1 grind and 2 per dungeon.

I would prefer to see the volunteers get access to different tokens per event they volunteer at. Or potentially add an UR volunteer token available to swap for X rares and X uncommons for those vols that do multiple conventions.

I'll say again if there are multiple completion tokens at a given convention they should be equal in value. Having a $50+ token and a $5 token at the same convention just breeds negative reactions among new people

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Ioun Stone Jaspter Ellipsoid Discussion 9 months 2 weeks ago #41

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: I would rather see 5/7 completion tokens each year across ALL conventions. 1 grind and 2 per dungeon.

I would prefer to see the volunteers get access to different tokens per event they volunteer at. Or potentially add an UR volunteer token available to swap for X rares and X uncommons for those vols that do multiple conventions.

I'll say again if there are multiple completion tokens at a given convention they should be equal in value. Having a $50+ token and a $5 token at the same convention just breeds negative reactions among new people


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Ioun Stone Jaspter Ellipsoid Discussion 9 months 2 weeks ago #42

kurtreznor wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: I would rather see 5/7 completion tokens each year across ALL conventions. 1 grind and 2 per dungeon.

I would prefer to see the volunteers get access to different tokens per event they volunteer at. Or potentially add an UR volunteer token available to swap for X rares and X uncommons for those vols that do multiple conventions.

I'll say again if there are multiple completion tokens at a given convention they should be equal in value. Having a $50+ token and a $5 token at the same convention just breeds negative reactions among new people


True dungeon cannot be held responsible for the secondary market value of tokens.


Held responsible, no.
Attempt to balance power level, I think is as reasonable request. When a completion token virtually duplicates an in print UR, that is very likely to be the best completion token out there by a large margin.
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Ioun Stone Jaspter Ellipsoid Discussion 9 months 2 weeks ago #43

kurtreznor wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: I would rather see 5/7 completion tokens each year across ALL conventions. 1 grind and 2 per dungeon.

I would prefer to see the volunteers get access to different tokens per event they volunteer at. Or potentially add an UR volunteer token available to swap for X rares and X uncommons for those vols that do multiple conventions.

I'll say again if there are multiple completion tokens at a given convention they should be equal in value. Having a $50+ token and a $5 token at the same convention just breeds negative reactions among new people


True dungeon cannot be held responsible for the secondary market value of tokens.


I don’t know what you mean by “held responsible”.

However as a large portion of true dungeons activity and revenue is centered around collectible tokens, it absolutely should consider and act upon things related to values in the secondary market.

Let me give you an example:

Should TD do a one year “epic power” event where the rares weapons printed in the set are all +5? No. Why not? Secondary market impact (crashing prices), which will rebound to direct sales impact (fewer tokens sold over time).


Let me ask you a follow up question:

How would you feel about one dungeon having a 400 GP item as a completion token, and another one having a 5,000 GP reserve bar?

Or one dungeon having a boots slot item that gives +2 damage against plants, and another that gives +2 damage to all attacks and spells?

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Ioun Stone Jaspter Ellipsoid Discussion 9 months 2 weeks ago #44

Matthew Hayward wrote: How would you feel about one dungeon having a 400 GP item as a completion token, and another one having a 5,000 GP reserve bar?


That’s effectively exactly what did happen last year (see Soul Coffer) and a lot of people seem okay with that.
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Ioun Stone Jaspter Ellipsoid Discussion 9 months 2 weeks ago #45

Is the Uncommon Completion Token also going to be pretty high demand, since they can stack? I wonder if there will be people moving up to Hardcore that aren't ready for it to get the Rare, and people moving up to Nightmare that aren't ready for it to get both the Rare and Uncommon.

The reality is though that the vast majority of people won't have any idea of what completion tokens are going to be on what runs before the runs, and most won't have any idea after the convention of what the completion tokens are on runs they weren't on, or what the relative values of any of them are.

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Ioun Stone Jaspter Ellipsoid Discussion 9 months 2 weeks ago #46

On a related note, I could see having common completion tokens for all of the Conventions that get to the point where they are pretty much assured of a sell-out, and save the unique completion tokens for the Conventions where they still haven't gotten to the repeated sell-out level. That might shift the focus at those conventions towards more new players getting tickets.

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Ioun Stone Jaspter Ellipsoid Discussion 9 months 2 weeks ago #47

No one will know which run will have which completion token before Thursday, as the GT run goodie bag gives them all. I dont think one gets a 2nd set.

I will be helping newbies understand the value of their completion tokens on any run I am on.

If there was a way to get these shifted around I would be in favor of it.

If there was a way to get these out of the completion token group at all I would be more in support of it.

I am definitely interested in acquiring many of these tokens.
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Ioun Stone Jasper Ellipsoid Discussion 9 months 2 weeks ago #48

GT bag gave a lot of completion tokens. All the GenCon and Pax West completion tokens were in there. However, the ones being shown for GameholrCon weren't.

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