TOPIC: 2020 Transmute Recipes, From the QTR

jedibcg wrote:

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote: Trade goods have fluxed over the years. You can’t compare 2013 to today. In 2013 MS was 15-20$ each. The only way you can run coat of X relic or legendary is if you have the costs for
Those years.

Except that only matters to someone buying them on the secondary market. If you are ordering the same amount then it only fluctuates as much as the tokens that make up the order and the recipes themselves have on your own supply and demand.

Then you can’t say it’s 238$. You can only say it would take a 2k order to get.

new recipes within:
QTR 2020.05 Beta

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote: Trade goods have fluxed over the years. You can’t compare 2013 to today. In 2013 MS was 15-20$ each. The only way you can run coat of X relic or legendary is if you have the costs for
Those years.

Except that only matters to someone buying them on the secondary market. If you are ordering the same amount then it only fluctuates as much as the tokens that make up the order and the recipes themselves have on your own supply and demand.

Then you can’t say it’s 238$. You can only say it would take a 2k order to get.

I would agree, but then again I never quoted any prices and did just said it would take more orders. That I think is my issue. Is either it will take more orders to make or it will force you onto the secondary market to make up those tokens regardless if they are inexpensive or not it doesn't feel right to me. Again I agree there should be some amount of increase because it seems there has been an lack of balance but saying what you could get in $500 from TD (1.6 muniations) will now cost you 4k from TD or $500 from TD and some additional amount for an additional 10 from secondary markets doesn't feel right to me.

recipes copied and pasted from: QTR 2020.05 Beta

3* Enhanced
Lenses of the Owl ©
· 50 GP Silver Mirror
· 200 GP

Ring of Fervor ©
· 1× 100 GP Silver [Ruby or Sapphire] Skull
· 2× Philosopher’s Stone
plus ONLY ONE of the following:
· any 2020 Monster Trophy
· Blight Bud
· Fiend Talon
· Lamia Scale
· Slayer Tentacle
· Stalker Blood
· Swamp Hag Venom

4* Exalted
Charm of Timely Aid ª
· Charm of Lamentation
· 2× Darkwood Plank
· 1× Dwarven Steel
· 1× Minotaur Hide
plus ONLY ONE of the following:
· 1,000 GP Gold bar
· Aragonite
· Blight Bud
· Fiend Talon
· Lamia Scale
· Slayer Tentacle
· Stalker Blood
· Swamp Hag Venom

Gem of Last Hope ª
· Potion [Death’s Door or Revival Root]
· Earcuff of Vitality (any year)
· 10× Darkwood Plank
· 10× Philosopher’s Stone
· 1,000 GP
plus ONLY ONE of the following:
o Blight Bud
o Fiend Talon
o Lamia Scale
o Slayer Tentacle
o Stalker Blood
o Swamp Hag Venom

Ring of Stamina ª
· Ring of Fortitude (any year)
· 7× Darkwood Plank
· 2× Philosopher’s Stone
· 200 GP
plus ONLY ONE of the following:
· Blight Bud
· Fiend Talon
· Lamia Scale
· Slayer Tentacle
· Stalker Blood
· Swamp Hag Venom

Relic:

+3 Holy Avenger «
· +2 Holy Avenger
· 10× Alchemist’s Ink
· 10× Alchemist’s Parchment
· 2× Aragonite
· 10× Darkwood Plank
· 15× Dwarven Steel
· 2× Elven Bismuth
· 2× Enchanter’s Munition
· 1× Golden Fleece
· 15× Minotaur Hide
· 10× Mystic Silk
· 1× Oil of Enchantment
· 10× Philosopher’s Stone
· 5,000 GP in Reserve Bars

Medallion of Furious Attack «
· Bracers of Reckless Fury
· 10× Alchemist’s Ink
· 5× Alchemist’s Parchment
· 2× Aragonite
· 15× Darkwood Plank
· 10× Dwarven Steel
· 3× Elven Bismuth
· 2× Enchanter’s Munition
· 1× Golden Fleece
· 15× Minotaur Hide
· 20× Mystic Silk
· 1× Oil of Enchantment
· 15× Philosopher’s Stone
· 5,000 GP in Reserve Bars

Necklace of the Spirit Drake «
· Ring of the Drake
· 10× Alchemist’s Ink
· 10× Alchemist’s Parchment
· 2× Aragonite
· 10× Darkwood Plank
· 10× Dwarven Steel
· 3× Elven Bismuth
· 2× Enchanter’s Munition
· 1× Golden Fleece
· 10× Minotaur Hide
· 20× Mystic Silk
· 1× Oil of Enchantment
· 10× Philosopher’s Stone
· 5,000 GP in Reserve Bars

Pendant of the Yew «
· Cloak of the Elm
· 15× Alchemist’s Ink
· 15× Alchemist’s Parchment
· 3× Aragonite
· 10× Darkwood Plank
· 10× Dwarven Steel
· 3× Elven Bismuth
· 2× Enchanter’s Munition
· 1× Golden Fleece
· 10× Minotaur Hide
· 20× Mystic Silk
· 1× Oil of Enchantment
· 10× Philosopher’s Stone
· 5,000 GP in Reserve Bars

Legendary

Ava’s +5 Holy Avenger
· +3 Holy Avenger
· +2 Flaming Blade
· Charm of Glory
· 10× Alchemist’s Ink
· 15× Alchemist’s Parchment
· 3× Aragonite
· 20× Darkwood Plank
· 15× Dwarven Steel
· 3× Elven Bismuth
· 3× Enchanter’s Munition
· 2× Golden Fleece
· 20× Minotaur Hide
· 20× Mystic Silk
· 1× Oil of Enchantment
· 10× Philosopher’s Stone
· 25,000 GP Eldritch Bar
plus ONLY ONE of the following:
o Wish Ring
o 15,000 GP in Reserve Bars

Benrow’s Elder Drake Necklace
· Necklace of the Spirit Drake
· Shirt of the Oaf
· Cook’s Hat
· 15× Alchemist’s Ink
· 15× Alchemist’s Parchment
· 2× Aragonite
· 20× Darkwood Plank
· 15× Dwarven Steel
· 5× Elven Bismuth
· 3× Enchanter’s Munition
· 2× Golden Fleece
· 20× Minotaur Hide
· 22× Mystic Silk
· 1× Oil of Enchantment
· 15× Philosopher’s Stone
· 25,000 GP Eldritch Bar
plus ONLY ONE of the following:
o Wish Ring
o 15,000 GP in Reserve Bars

Bog’s Medallion of Berserking
· Medallion of Furious Attack
· Arcane Belt
· Ioun Stone Banshee Prism
· 10× Alchemist’s Ink
· 10× Alchemist’s Parchment
· 2× Aragonite
· 20× Darkwood Plank
· 15× Dwarven Steel
· 4× Elven Bismuth
· 3× Enchanter’s Munition
· 2× Golden Fleece
· 15× Minotaur Hide
· 35× Mystic Silk
· 1× Oil of Enchantment
· 25× Philosopher’s Stone
· 25,000 GP Eldritch Bar
plus ONLY ONE of the following:
o Wish Ring
o 15,000 GP in Reserve Bars

Ralson’s Pendant of the Elder Yew
· Pendant of the Yew
· +1 Mighty Short Bow
· Lenses of Agility
· 15× Alchemist’s Ink
· 15× Alchemist’s Parchment
· 2× Aragonite
· 20× Darkwood Plank
· 15× Dwarven Steel
· 3× Elven Bismuth
· 3× Enchanter’s Munition
· 2× Golden Fleece
· 25× Minotaur Hide
· 25× Mystic Silk
· 1× Oil of Enchantment
· 15× Philosopher’s Stone
· 25,000 GP Eldritch Bar
plus ONLY ONE of the following:
o Wish Ring
o 15,000 GP in Reserve Bars

I generally like the new recipes better, would like to see the relic recipes have no more than two of each of theses trade goods (oil of enchantment, elven Bismuth, Aragonite)

I’d like to see the old holy sword be an option in the relic

Druegar wrote: new recipes within:
QTR 2020.05 Beta

Seriously was this just to fuck with us?
Why drop the numbers on Planks, Silk and Stones? I don't think anyone mentioned there was said anything about the numbers on them. If someone did let me apologize now. And adding golden fleeces back when there was/is about half the number of monster bits in the boxes?

Average difference is
1.25 more Aragonite
10 less planks
6.25 less steel
1.5 more bismuth
11.5 less munitions
1 more fleece
2.5 less silk
3 less stones

If you make all four relics this version is
5 more argonite
40 less planks
25 less steel
6 more bismuth
46 less munitions
4 more fleece
10 less silk
12 less stones

Anyone care to make a comparison for us simpletons?

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Anyone care to make a comparison for us simpletons?

See above. I did average difference and total difference. I did not do individual differences.

jedibcg wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Anyone care to make a comparison for us simpletons?

See above. I did average difference and total difference. I did not do individual differences.

Thanks!

I'm in agreement that I'm happy with less steel and munitions, honestly indifferent on fleece (I know I'm probably in the minority here), and I know that I'm still going to have a lot of plank and silk left over.

jedibcg wrote:

Druegar wrote: new recipes within:
QTR 2020.05 Beta

Seriously was this just to fuck with us?
Why drop the numbers on Planks, Silk and Stones? I don't think anyone mentioned there was said anything about the numbers on them. If someone did let me apologize now. And adding golden fleeces back when there was/is about half the number of monster bits in the boxes?

Average difference is
1.25 more Aragonite
10 less planks
6.25 less steel
1.5 more bismuth
11.5 less munitions
1 more fleece
2.5 less silk
3 less stones

If you make all four relics this version is
5 more argonite
40 less planks
25 less steel
6 more bismuth
46 less munitions
4 more fleece
10 less silk
12 less stones

At least they fixed the EM issue. Would rather have seen the low three go up to compensate rather than the expensive goods go up.

Oof. I think my group is out of the race for relics if this is going to be the prices.

The change on the Necklace of the spirit drake:

+1 Argonite
-10 Plank
-10 Steel
+2 Bismuth
-8 Munitions
+1 Fleece

Previous Auction price: 364.76 + UR
New Auction Price: 389.14 + 1 fleece ($70?) + UR

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Anyone care to make a comparison for us simpletons?

See above. I did average difference and total difference. I did not do individual differences.

Thanks!

I'm in agreement that I'm happy with less steel and munitions, honestly indifferent on fleece (I know I'm probably in the minority here), and I know that I'm still going to have a lot of plank and silk left over.

I'm glad fleece is in and lowering of the lesser trade goods. As someone who runs a lot but doesn't bulk buy boosters it's relatively easier for me to get the higher order trade goods.

Still confused as to why Ring of Fervor takes any 2019/2020 bit and Ring of Stamina only 2019 bits. I would like to see the 3/4 star transmutes use a 2 year window of bits if needed as to make it easier for folks to dip their toe into transmuting and use stuff they acquired from a previous year. Encourage use of the 'loose' bits.