TOPIC: 2020 Transmute Recipes, From the QTR

Harlax wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Druegar wrote: QTR 2020.08 Beta has updated recipes.
If September 12 does not appear in the footer, you're looking at an old version.
We need to send this off to the printer soonly, so if you have any last-minute needed changes, post them right away.

Looks like no changes on 3 or 4*, minimal changes on relics (I didn't check legendary).

+3 Holy Avenger
Allows +2 Holy Great Sword

Medallion of Furious Attack
No changes

Spirit Drake
-5 Steel
+1 Bismuth
+1 EM

Pendant of the yew:
more expensive. +5 hide

I guess this means you're dead set on 2020 relics being dramatically more expensive than 2019, and you desire for Hide and Steel to be the constraining factors on Relic Creation?

Would still like to see more MS and PS and less DS and MH.

+1

Harlax wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Druegar wrote: QTR 2020.08 Beta has updated recipes.
If September 12 does not appear in the footer, you're looking at an old version.
We need to send this off to the printer soonly, so if you have any last-minute needed changes, post them right away.

Looks like no changes on 3 or 4*, minimal changes on relics (I didn't check legendary).

+3 Holy Avenger
Allows +2 Holy Great Sword

Medallion of Furious Attack
No changes

Spirit Drake
-5 Steel
+1 Bismuth
+1 EM

Pendant of the yew:
more expensive. +5 hide

I guess this means you're dead set on 2020 relics being dramatically more expensive than 2019, and you desire for Hide and Steel to be the constraining factors on Relic Creation?

Would still like to see more MS and PS and less DS and MH.

I Would prefer Revision 7 with just a decrease in DS and MH, but would take further decreases elsewhere with more DP / MS / PS . These recipes are just crazy expensive compared to last year.

Endgame wrote:

Harlax wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Druegar wrote: QTR 2020.08 Beta has updated recipes.
If September 12 does not appear in the footer, you're looking at an old version.
We need to send this off to the printer soonly, so if you have any last-minute needed changes, post them right away.

Looks like no changes on 3 or 4*, minimal changes on relics (I didn't check legendary).

+3 Holy Avenger
Allows +2 Holy Great Sword

Medallion of Furious Attack
No changes

Spirit Drake
-5 Steel
+1 Bismuth
+1 EM

Pendant of the yew:
more expensive. +5 hide

I guess this means you're dead set on 2020 relics being dramatically more expensive than 2019, and you desire for Hide and Steel to be the constraining factors on Relic Creation?

Would still like to see more MS and PS and less DS and MH.

I Would prefer Revision 7 with just a decrease in DS and MH, but would take further decreases elsewhere with more DP / MS / PS . These recipes are just crazy expensive compared to last year.

I wouldn't mind less DS or MH for an increase in DP or PS.

Gem of Last Hope.

No one with Ash's Death Pouch would make this. You can already regain full hp with 1K gold.

Of course, people with Ash's arent the target audience for this anyway. But less gold might be appropriate for this transmute.

Harlax wrote: Gem of Last Hope.

No one with Ash's Death Pouch would make this. You can already regain full hp with 1K gold.

Of course, people with Ash's arent the target audience for this anyway. But less gold might be appropriate for this transmute.

Now that I look at that recipe better, it’s way too high.
Right now that’s $30 to $40 worth of stuff to make s consumable.
I’d say drop the Earcuffs, half the trade goods, gold, and monster bit and I would consider it but probably still not make any. It’s just too much for too little.

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Harlax wrote: Gem of Last Hope.

No one with Ash's Death Pouch would make this. You can already regain full hp with 1K gold.

Of course, people with Ash's arent the target audience for this anyway. But less gold might be appropriate for this transmute.

Now that I look at that recipe better, it’s way too high.
Right now that’s $30 to $40 worth of stuff to make s consumable.
I’d say drop the Earcuffs, half the trade goods, gold, and monster bit and I would consider it but probably still not make any. It’s just too much for too little.

Fallen Stars generally ho for about 35-40, so that seems in line.

Ash's requires 2K GP for full health, not 1K

Being very specific is very helpful.
Being vague... not so much.

One shop Gem costing:
~$8 potion token + 20 cheap trade goods + 2019 monster bit + specific rare token +1K GP

Cost approximately $50 to $60 for once compared to $80 per run at GenCon.

Use $8 potion and potions of condensed healing is much cheaper buy does take longer.

edwin wrote: One shop Gem costing:
~$8 potion token + 20 cheap trade goods + 2019 monster bit + specific rare token +1K GP

Cost approximately $50 to $60 for once compared to $80 per run at GenCon.

Use $8 potion and potions of condensed healing is much cheaper buy does take longer.

The real question is: What did Fallen Star Mushroom take to create and how much did those materials cost back then? I didn't play back then and I don't have the time to look.

But I think you're underselling how much this Gem costs to anyone not buying trade goods on wholesale prices. If you guys go back to the original couple pages of this thread me and a couple others were saying this Gem costs too much in $ to make. Here's my breakdown:

Gem of Last Hope
• Potion [Death’s Door or Revival Root] $5
• Earcuff of Vitality (any year) $5 (guessing?)
• 10× Darkwood Plank $20 (yes 1.25/ea or 1.5/ea from wholesale but everyone else they are closer to $2. Honestly the trade goods won't stop many people and are probably a good sink for these mats)
• 10× Philosopher’s Stone $20
• 1,000 GP $16-17 (wholesale, though 5k bars are cheaper in other sources)
plus ONLY ONE of the following:
o Blight Bud ($15 on average for these bits unless other con supply has brought them down; 2019 bits are in high demand)
o Fiend Talon
o Lamia Scale
o Slayer Tentacle
o Stalker Blood
o Swamp Hag Venom

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That's pretty much $80 to turn your PODD into this Gem. Now most of us have the trade goods and don't mind spending them but that extra 1k GP is really a kick in the teeth when you add a 2019 monster bit on it. I don't see many of these being made at all. I guess we wait all year until bits devalue late on 2020 and then make this recipe but I'm curious to know how expensive Fallen Star was when it came out. I know they are only worth $35-40 now but that might be misleading. Amusingly though, if they are only worth $40 then honestly this token should only cost like $50 to make.

Flik wrote:

edwin wrote: One shop Gem costing:
~$8 potion token + 20 cheap trade goods + 2019 monster bit + specific rare token +1K GP

Cost approximately $50 to $60 for once compared to $80 per run at GenCon.

Use $8 potion and potions of condensed healing is much cheaper buy does take longer.

The real question is: What did Fallen Star Mushroom take to create and how much did those materials cost back then? I didn't play back then and I don't have the time to look.

But I think you're underselling how much this Gem costs to anyone not buying trade goods on wholesale prices. If you guys go back to the original couple pages of this thread me and a couple others were saying this Gem costs too much in $ to make. Here's my breakdown:

Gem of Last Hope
• Potion [Death’s Door or Revival Root] $5
• Earcuff of Vitality (any year) $5 (guessing?)
• 10× Darkwood Plank $20 (yes 1.25/ea or 1.5/ea from wholesale but everyone else they are closer to $2. Honestly the trade goods won't stop many people and are probably a good sink for these mats)
• 10× Philosopher’s Stone $20
• 1,000 GP $16-17 (wholesale, though 5k bars are cheaper in other sources)
plus ONLY ONE of the following:
o Blight Bud ($15 on average for these bits unless other con supply has brought them down; 2019 bits are in high demand)
o Fiend Talon
o Lamia Scale
o Slayer Tentacle
o Stalker Blood
o Swamp Hag Venom

---

That's pretty much $80 to turn your PODD into this Gem. Now most of us have the trade goods and don't mind spending them but that extra 1k GP is really a kick in the teeth when you add a 2019 monster bit on it. I don't see many of these being made at all. I guess we wait all year until bits devalue late on 2020 and then make this recipe but I'm curious to know how expensive Fallen Star was when it came out. I know they are only worth $35-40 now but that might be misleading. Amusingly though, if they are only worth $40 then honestly this token should only cost like $50 to make.

My estimate:

PoDD - 5
Earcuff - 3
10 Plank - 10
10 Stone - 10
1K GP - 15
Bit - 12-15 (now). Probably cheaper later.

Cost - 58 now. I predict Plank and Stone will continue to fall (probably to .75 or even lower) as will the Bits, but not by much. So after 2020 Token purchases my estimate is about $48 to transmute, eventually lower if u wait to buy on secondary market.

The Fallen Star Mushroom recipe
2× Golden Toadstool
3× Spotted Green Mushroom
1× Mystic Silk
1× Hawk-Kin Feather
1× Sand Beast Tooth
Plus ONLY ONE of the following
1× Mystic Mushroom
1× Potion Death’s Door

So three rares, three uncommons, one trade good, two specific monster bits.

Druegar wrote: Being very specific is very helpful.
Being vague... not so much.

Specific then

+3 holy avenger
-5 to DS
-5 to MH
+5 to PS
+5 to MS