TOPIC: 2020 Transmute Recipes, From the QTR

Wayne Rhodes wrote: Overall I’m happy with the latest recipes on the relics. If I were in the market for one these recipes would not stop me.

If the old holy sword was part of the +3 Holy avenger I would go ahead and make it, but unless that changes I likely will not be making any relics this year.

+1

Though it's not reflected in Beta 6, either +2 Holy Avenger or +2 Holy Great Sword may be used in the recipe for +3 Holy Avenger.

Druegar wrote: Though it's not reflected in Beta 6, either +2 Holy Avenger or +2 Holy Great Sword may be used in the recipe for +3 Holy Avenger.

Impressive!

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Druegar wrote: Though it's not reflected in Beta 6, either +2 Holy Avenger or +2 Holy Great Sword may be used in the recipe for +3 Holy Avenger.

Impressive!

Don't crush my dreams here man
Seriously though, great news & dang it now I need more trade goods.

I think the old holy great sword wasn't included since it was a very different weapon. A greatsword is a large two-handed weapon whereas this will be a one-handed weapon.

I know a lot of those old holy greatswords are out there and are going cheap ($40-$50) so the secondary market would love to dump them but it isn't quite an apples to apples comparison.

Fred

jedibcg wrote:

edwin wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

edwin wrote:
Understood. Trading can get you there and trade good values go go up and down. Right now they seem to be at lows or near lows value wise.

I have a surplus of DP, MS, and PS and a shortage of DS. What are your trading rates?....lol.

Better luck with GP, URs or specific rare tokens.

And hence the issue.

Ask TD if they would consider offering a relic friendly $2K order option. You get the exact set of trade goods minus GF for a single relic plus the URs, etc. This way you have no extra trade goods laying around. Keep it at 8URs and figure out a good balance for the remainder.

Fred K wrote: I think the old holy great sword wasn't included since it was a very different weapon. A greatsword is a large two-handed weapon whereas this will be a one-handed weapon.

I know a lot of those old holy greatswords are out there and are going cheap ($40-$50) so the secondary market would love to dump them but it isn't quite an apples to apples comparison.

Fred

2018 +2 Holy Avenger value gets gutted 1 year later for transmute purposes. Sounds like the need for a separate discussion thread.

kurtreznor wrote:

Michael Ernst wrote:
Based on this post here , a 2K order would be short ~4 Minotaur Hide on +3 Holy Avenger. It would be short ~4 Minotaur Hide and 3-4 Dwarven Steel on Medallion of Furious attack,. It would be short 3-4 Dwarven steel on Necklace of the Spirit Drake. Pendant of the Yew looks like it would be short ~4 Alchemist's Ink and Alchemist's parchment. Those are the limiting materials for those recipes, in all cases you would end up with excess of other materials. So a 2K order seems very close (in terms of trade goods)

It is bad enough that a set $ order comes up short on the same trade goods for every relic, but it is significantly worse when those are the only trade goods you cant make from treasure draws. Just because they are made from commons does not mean they are as common as DP, MS, & PS. A lot of my extras of those 3 is because of rares and uncommons, both in packs and treasure draws.

That is a good point about Minotaur Hide and Dwarven Steel having fewer sources. The interesting thing I have been running into in trying to crunch the numbers on these things is what a reasonable targeted ratio looks like. In terms of packs, you get 1.44 Aragonite to 8.4 Dwarven Steel (for 2020, projected). In terms of treasure draws, you can get Araognite, but not Dwarven Steel. At least one other factor is the volume in the secondary market, which almost certainly provides yet a third different valuation of the relative worth of trade goods. For example, some people are happy to increase MS cost of recipes (presumably because they have a stockpile), but MS is actually almost one of the limiting factors from a packs perspective (and the current recipes).

Not to say that consensus is unreachable (there seems to be a fair amount of agreement around less DS and less MH), just that there is a delicate balance.

edwin wrote:

Fred K wrote: I think the old holy great sword wasn't included since it was a very different weapon. A greatsword is a large two-handed weapon whereas this will be a one-handed weapon.

I know a lot of those old holy greatswords are out there and are going cheap ($40-$50) so the secondary market would love to dump them but it isn't quite an apples to apples comparison.

Fred

2018 +2 Holy Avenger value gets gutted 1 year later for transmute purposes. Sounds like the need for a separate discussion thread.

How do you figure this hurts the value of a still desirable in print UR?

If you bought it to transmute you still can. If you bought it to use without transmuting odds are good you paid PYP price since it was in print. Besides which most PYPs that are part of a recipe tend to retain their value. I'm sorry I don't see how supporting the value of a depreciated UR hurts the value of an inprint UR unless you bought with the intention of flipping once the base sword was out of print, in which case you can still probably get back what you paid for it.

Picc wrote:

edwin wrote:

Fred K wrote: I think the old holy great sword wasn't included since it was a very different weapon. A greatsword is a large two-handed weapon whereas this will be a one-handed weapon.

I know a lot of those old holy greatswords are out there and are going cheap ($40-$50) so the secondary market would love to dump them but it isn't quite an apples to apples comparison.

Fred

2018 +2 Holy Avenger value gets gutted 1 year later for transmute purposes. Sounds like the need for a separate discussion thread.

How do you figure this hurts the value of a still desirable in print UR?

If you bought it to transmute you still can. If you bought it to use without transmuting odds are good you paid PYP price since it was in print. Besides which most PYPs that are part of a recipe tend to retain their value. I'm sorry I don't see how supporting the value of a depreciated UR hurts the value of an inprint UR unless you bought with the intention of flipping once the base sword was out of print, in which case you can still probably get back what you paid for it.

Buy the older UR for $40 or $50 and use it for the transmute. No need to get the 2019 version. No demand for the 2018 version unless you can't find the older UR.

I see it like others see the ISFP versus the new 2020 rare IS completion token.

I am ok with both things occurring.

Druegar wrote: Though it's not reflected in Beta 6, either +2 Holy Avenger or +2 Holy Great Sword may be used in the recipe for +3 Holy Avenger.

Definitely glad to hear that.

edwin wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

edwin wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

edwin wrote:
Understood. Trading can get you there and trade good values go go up and down. Right now they seem to be at lows or near lows value wise.

I have a surplus of DP, MS, and PS and a shortage of DS. What are your trading rates?....lol.

Better luck with GP, URs or specific rare tokens.

And hence the issue.

Ask TD if they would consider offering a relic friendly $2K order option. You get the exact set of trade goods minus GF for a single relic plus the URs, etc. This way you have no extra trade goods laying around. Keep it at 8URs and figure out a good balance for the remainder.

For 2020 I would be willing to part out from an 8K order three of the following and include free shipping in the US.:
8 PYPs
1 random UR
2 sets modules
2 6th tooth of Cavadar
1 ltd token (e.g., 2019 was mask of mayhem) based on it being provided by TD
1 AG Button
1 set of trade tokens minus GF for any single 2020 relic *based on current receipes

If I can get three sold I will do the 8K order.

Note: The QTR is in beta and anything can change. Change may result in altering or cancelling this offering.