TOPIC: Final Ultra Rare Images

MasterED wrote:

Raven wrote: I don't think that anything has been obsoleted here.
For non-Rogues, Lenses of the Fae is still better (particularly if you're at an odd Dex.) Don't discount the 50% miss irritation until you've gone up against incorporeal monsters!

For Rogues, this is clearly better than the Lenses of Vital Insight *only if* you use a bow or crossbow. But (as some folks so kindly pointed out to me recently!) not every Rogue has access to a bow/crossbow. Some haven't bought one (yet - this may incentivize their purchase) and others put enough resources into their Relic/Legend Hammer that they're not going to switch. It's definitely not a given.

Not to mention that this leaves room for some cool items in the future like Ranged Sneak Throwing Daggers or a cool Blunder Weapon (which adds accuracy for a Sniper Rogue build?)

I almost always are in lock step with you Raven but in this case I am in disagreement. What we have is the following powers:

+4 DEX (little less than UR - Transmute 4 Star - Exalted Creeper Necklace)
Ignore 50% incorporeal miss chance (Rare Level - Bead Whole Vision)
Sneak attack with a Ranged Weapon (UR Level - LoVI)
Sneak attack with Bows & Crossbows (little lower than UR Level somewhat like a Transmute - 4 Star)

So adding two Transmute Four Stars together is clearly better than an UR.

My suggestion is I think it was good at +2 and it should stay there. Because Sneak attack with both Bows and Crossbows is clearly better than a Rare level Bead of Whole Vision.

Ed

David Harris wrote: Great job Jeff and community...I really like the set. Seems like there is something for about everyone.

I do worry about adding new slotless tokens every year, every time one is add is gets a little tougher to manage a build. More to remember and more to carry. How about something like a Trinket slot with the ability to equip 5 or 7 slotless tokens. This is probably more trouble than it's worth, but just a thought.

Harlax wrote:

David Harris wrote: Great job Jeff and community...I really like the set. Seems like there is something for about everyone.

I do worry about adding new slotless tokens every year, every time one is add is gets a little tougher to manage a build. More to remember and more to carry. How about something like a Trinket slot with the ability to equip 5 or 7 slotless tokens. This is probably more trouble than it's worth, but just a thought.

That would be problematic for multi year projects like the teeth. They take up as many as 5 of your proposed slots currently.

And then what about gear tokens? Does my silver mirror count? My waterskin? Etc, etc., etc.

David Harris wrote:

Harlax wrote:

David Harris wrote: Great job Jeff and community...I really like the set. Seems like there is something for about everyone.

I do worry about adding new slotless tokens every year, every time one is add is gets a little tougher to manage a build. More to remember and more to carry. How about something like a Trinket slot with the ability to equip 5 or 7 slotless tokens. This is probably more trouble than it's worth, but just a thought.

That would be problematic for multi year projects like the teeth. They take up as many as 5 of your proposed slots currently.

And then what about gear tokens? Does my silver mirror count? My waterskin? Etc, etc., etc.

Yeah it definitely creates more problems than it's worth to do something like Trinkets. The previous comment was more of a lament on how slotless items often fell like unchecked power creep. At least with power creep in a slot, it's easy to see when the boundaries are being pushed. But it gets a little more difficult to see the creep when it's very unique slotless items. But who am I to dream crush creativity.

Xavon wrote: I still think the Rod of the Meek is going to be more trouble than it is worth, but this is my last lick at that dead horse.

Otherwise, I like the set.

EvilJohn wrote:

Xavon wrote: I still think the Rod of the Meek is going to be more trouble than it is worth, but this is my last lick at that dead horse.

Otherwise, I like the set.

+1 to both statements.

EvilJohn wrote:

Xavon wrote: I still think the Rod of the Meek is going to be more trouble than it is worth, but this is my last lick at that dead horse.

Otherwise, I like the set.

+1 to both statements.

David Harris wrote:

Harlax wrote:

David Harris wrote: Great job Jeff and community...I really like the set. Seems like there is something for about everyone.

I do worry about adding new slotless tokens every year, every time one is add is gets a little tougher to manage a build. More to remember and more to carry. How about something like a Trinket slot with the ability to equip 5 or 7 slotless tokens. This is probably more trouble than it's worth, but just a thought.

That would be problematic for multi year projects like the teeth. They take up as many as 5 of your proposed slots currently.

And then what about gear tokens? Does my silver mirror count? My waterskin? Etc, etc., etc.

Yeah it definitely creates more problems than it's worth to do something like Trinkets. The previous comment was more of a lament on how slotless items often fell like unchecked power creep. At least with power creep in a slot, it's easy to see when the boundaries are being pushed. But it gets a little more difficult to see the creep when it's very unique slotless items. But who am I to dream crush creativity.

Endgame wrote: The most dnd way I've thought to address slotless problems was :

You may carry 10 items without a slot.

Then print "bag of holding : you may carry an unlimited number of slotless items. Accessing any slotless item uses a standard action "

While something like that would be a better balance that what we have now, youd likely never get someone with more than 10 slotless items onboard.