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2020 Transmuted Token Images 1 year 2 months ago #169

OrionW wrote: (1st) This comparison is with the Ranger token, which of the bunch is likely the only one that needs a bit of love. I say this because I don't think they can keep up in ranged damage with a Rogue which feels wrong.


It's a new world. Rogues can sneak attack for a ton at the top tier of play. I don't think there is anything in the PHB that says Rangers - whether melee or ranged - must dish out more damage than a Rogue. I'm not sure how to respond to - "it feels wrong"

Yes. I was comparing Iktomi's to the Ranger Token. I was responding to Mike-

Mike Steele wrote:
I'm not in agreement that the Ranger legendary is underwhelming, I think it's more powerful than the previous class Legendaries. I think the Legendaries this year need to be scaled back to the power level of last year.


Mike is concerned with a gap in power between this year's legendaries and he thinks the 2020s need to be scaled back. I set out to show actual numbers that the Druid legendary is better than he is giving it credit for. Certainly if you compare one specific 2020 legendary to the Druid legendary of 2019

Others have already stated that no matter what - someone is going to end up with the 10th best class legendary. There's at least some truth to that. If Ralson's is printed as proposed, I feel that Druid and Ranger will be closer to the back of the pack than the front. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

OrionW wrote: (2nd) Any comparison should include the Ranger having Io's which has a better damage wheel than the Druid has access to.


If you want to talk about stacking Io's with Ralson's, then what about stacking Drue's with Iktomi's? That's +5 damage to healing, Polymorph, and spell damage.

Individuals shouldn't choose to play Druid if they want to be the top DPS at the combat table. However, if he/she likes healing, slinging spells (+ surging one), and turning into elementals, then Druid is a good choice and the Legendary is an awesome token.

Oh yeah, and a Druid with Iktomi's also gets to turn into a Spider, Scrael, Gremlin, Snake, Bear, Brownie, Lemure, or Otter. Those could have real utility in puzzle rooms. Most of the other class legendaries have 0 effect outside of combat.

OrionW wrote: (3rd) Druid's only get to use one form in combat. Being in the form that grants extra damage or has the correct resistance is not a given unless the Druid wants to wait to polymorph until after the first round of combat. :blink:


OrionW wrote: (4th) The Druid's DR and damage types are matched, and you likely can't use both in the same combat.


I never once suggested that you could take advantage of both. I clearly laid them out as separate benefits. The fact is that if you have a good understanding of D&D monster types, you can try and game the system. If you want to wait for damage confirmation / a lore check to get a sure thing, you can.

I think the better argument for "Iktomi's sucks" is that there will be monsters where none of the 4 types is relevant (which I also pointed out earlier). It doesn't diminish the fact that Iktomi's does give a ton of flexibility, albeit not as much as if you could change into different forms within the same room.

OrionW wrote: You can make an argument that Ranger's need a better item, because they are behind the power curve and I would likely agree with you. I just don't see the proposed Ranger item and the Druid item from last year as being similar in power. The Druid item is just inherently more limiting.


Dude- melee rangers are saying that Ralson's is just as limiting as the Druid item. They don't even get to stack Focus items like Druids do. If Polymorph doesn't work out, the Druid can just go back to human form and throw focus-stacked spells at the monster with 0 opportunity cost.

I'm not opposed to bringing the Monk and Barbarian legendaries back down from the stratosphere.

BUT

The average damage on Iktomi's is higher than Ava's. Hell, it's higher than Welfor's and has a higher max damage than both of those legendaries. If you're going to argue that Iktomi's is worse than Ava's and Ralson's by a country mile, you're going to have to do better.
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2020 Transmuted Token Images 1 year 2 months ago #170

Can't remember whether it has already been called out, but just so it doesn't get missed... the Barbarian Legendary still needs a name tied to it.
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2020 Transmuted Token Images 1 year 2 months ago #171

Fiddy wrote: Can't remember whether it has already been called out, but just so it doesn't get missed... the Barbarian Legendary still needs a name tied to it.


Thundar's?
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2020 Transmuted Token Images 1 year 2 months ago #172

macXdmg wrote: Jeff your dedicated work is appreciated. I sometimes wonder how you can consume this much feedback.

PT-7 what is that?

Is it I can use “Negate 10 points of Cold, Fire, Shock, or Sonic damage (once)” from Token dB first tooh or is it all powers up through the 7th are granted? Does it stack with uses from other granted psychic abilities or is it effectively access without teeth and any other items to grant it?


You are imbued with Psychic Power at Power Tier of 7 -- so you can use any of those powers up to 7th. It will not stack with other stuff as written. I think I am going to give them +1 use, too.

Do the amulets stack with the 6 damage from the bracers and the two from the ring?


Normal stacking rules apply...so unless it says something special, all damage stacks.
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2020 Transmuted Token Images 1 year 2 months ago #173

FiannaTiger wrote:

Fiddy wrote: Can't remember whether it has already been called out, but just so it doesn't get missed... the Barbarian Legendary still needs a name tied to it.


Thundar's?


I think it should be something like Bob or John. Guaranteed someone with those two names did something awesome
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2020 Transmuted Token Images 1 year 2 months ago #174

BeLinda Mathie wrote: Fury sounds like a very cool power. I like this version of the Barbarian Relic/Legendary a lot.

Same question about Lenses of the Owl as some others: is it +1 to hit, +1 to damage, or +1 to both for ranged attacks? If both, that’s a great transmute for ranged attackers, and a nice upgrade from Lenses of the Hunter. The ranger in my party (who uses a bow) would make it for sure.


In token lexicon, any thing just listed at "+1 to Ranged" or "+1 to Melee" is just +1 to hit.
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2020 Transmuted Token Images 1 year 2 months ago #175

Jeff Martin wrote:

macXdmg wrote: Jeff your dedicated work is appreciated. I sometimes wonder how you can consume this much feedback.

PT-7 what is that?

Is it I can use “Negate 10 points of Cold, Fire, Shock, or Sonic damage (once)” from Token dB first tooh or is it all powers up through the 7th are granted? Does it stack with uses from other granted psychic abilities or is it effectively access without teeth and any other items to grant it?


You are imbued with Psychic Power at Power Tier of 7 -- so you can use any of those powers up to 7th. It will not stack with other stuff as written. I think I am going to give them +1 use, too.

Do the amulets stack with the 6 damage from the bracers and the two from the ring?


Normal stacking rules apply...so unless it says something special, all damage stacks.


Gotta say... as a fan of psychic stuff in TD, not a fan of a legendary unlocking everything for a class before the 7th tooth is out.

I can see unlocking one power and granting multiple uses of that one power, but unlocking everything up to tier 7 for monks with a legendary before the multi year psychic transmute drops? Ehhhhh...
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2020 Transmuted Token Images 1 year 2 months ago #176

edwin wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote: Okay...more tweaks here and there. Tweaked some stuff and I hope these work for most folks. Due to the confusion think it best just to make the Savior Stone a normal Raise Dead thingie. And all the Legendary tokens will eventually get named.

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Correct. It is optional.



New Powers Mentioned on Transmuted Tokens

Fury – A Barbarian (whether in “Rage” or not) can announce that she is going to “Fury” before she makes her slide. If she hits, the damage done with that one slide will be treated as if it landed in the “20” area on the combat board.

Animal Friend – This power allows the Ranger to use a Potion of Polymorph to summon forth a spiritual animal friend for one room. It can't be dispelled or damaged. When attacking with a 2H Bow, the Ranger can put any polymorph token into the second slider and slide both as a Ranger normally would during combat. The damage done by the spiritual animal friend is only the amount shown on the token...and not modified by anything. The token is also consumed at the end of combat like a potion normally would be at that time.

The Legendary Monk item gives the Monk Level 7 Psychic Power: truedungeon.com/psychic


Just wanted to confirm a Ranger is not required to have an animal companion and can still slide just 1 puck for range attacks?

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2020 Transmuted Token Images 1 year 2 months ago #177

Jeff Martin wrote: In token lexicon, any thing just listed at "+1 to Ranged" or "+1 to Melee" is just +1 to hit.


I could be mistaken but I don't think we have a token that shows this yet. I am searching the token db and finding difficulty finding any past token with that verbage.
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2020 Transmuted Token Images 1 year 2 months ago #178

Jeff Martin wrote:

BeLinda Mathie wrote: Fury sounds like a very cool power. I like this version of the Barbarian Relic/Legendary a lot.

Same question about Lenses of the Owl as some others: is it +1 to hit, +1 to damage, or +1 to both for ranged attacks? If both, that’s a great transmute for ranged attackers, and a nice upgrade from Lenses of the Hunter. The ranger in my party (who uses a bow) would make it for sure.


In token lexicon, any thing just listed at "+1 to Ranged" or "+1 to Melee" is just +1 to hit.

In this case, this is the same as the uncommon lenses, but it also works for spells. I think even a 3* transmute needs a more material improvement over a uncommon
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2020 Transmuted Token Images 1 year 2 months ago #179

Justice wrote: Did we find out if the guard from the pally legendary stacks with the amulet of guarding?


I allows another player to be Guarded -- so 3 is possible with the Amulet.
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2020 Transmuted Token Images 1 year 2 months ago #180

Matthew Hayward wrote: Question on Fury:

Various tokens and abilities make reference to a slid "natural 20."

If a Barbarian announces a Fury, and scores a hit, will their slide be considered:

* A slid natural 20
* Just a 20, triggering a standard 2x crit, but not triggering anything that requires a natural 20

?


Good question!

I will amend Fury so it explains it better. Activating your Fury power is NOT a natural "20", but it is a "20" so it will critical hit the monster. It won't activate the "natural 20" required for special items -- unless the Barbarian slides a natural "20" anyway.

Also, keep in mind that if the Barbarian misses the monster, then no Fury effect will happen. They have to declare a head of time and slide well.
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