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Ultra Rare Token Ideas 3 years 2 months ago #493

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Fiddy wrote: Tome of Power - May cast 1st level spell (or lower) once per room as a scroll (Bard, Cleric, Druid, Elf Wizard, Ranger, Wizard)

Basically, reprint an aspect of the +2 Staff of Power, but add some flexibility (0th or 1st level spell), open it up to more classes (not just Wizards), and maybe make the decision a little tougher once the tome slot becomes a slot.



Also, I firmly reject the continued creation of "as a scroll" granting tokens at UR. Tokens that turn off 5+ other tokens in your build to generate their effect are neither fun nor good design for a collectible token game, in my opinion.


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Ultra Rare Token Ideas 3 years 2 months ago #494

If it was to be once per combat it could allow the elf wizard to cast alertness every combat which could be multiple times if bouncing the enemy several times with lesser maze. Probably more balanced as once oer room.
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Ultra Rare Token Ideas 3 years 2 months ago #495

Adam Guay wrote: If it was to be once per combat it could allow the elf wizard to cast alertness every combat which could be multiple times if bouncing the enemy several times with lesser maze. Probably more balanced as once oer room.


Hmm... I hate to suggest new terms, but how about (1/combat room)?

That would also allow some future proofing in case other 0th/1st level spells get added to the character cards.
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Ultra Rare Token Ideas 3 years 2 months ago #496

Fiddy wrote:

Adam Guay wrote: If it was to be once per combat it could allow the elf wizard to cast alertness every combat which could be multiple times if bouncing the enemy several times with lesser maze. Probably more balanced as once oer room.


Hmm... I hate to suggest new terms, but how about (1/combat room)?

That would also allow some future proofing in case other 0th/1st level spells get added to the character cards.


I think the way to pull that off without adding a weird rule is: 1/room, combat only
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Ultra Rare Token Ideas 3 years 2 months ago #497

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Fiddy wrote: Tome of Power - May cast 1st level spell (or lower) once per room as a scroll (Bard, Cleric, Druid, Elf Wizard, Ranger, Wizard)

Basically, reprint an aspect of the +2 Staff of Power, but add some flexibility (0th or 1st level spell), open it up to more classes (not just Wizards), and maybe make the decision a little tougher once the tome slot becomes a slot.


Too good based on existing healing spells I'm afraid.

For Cleric, Druid, and 5th level Ranger this amounts to 40 points of healing over the course of the dungeon (and it might be better, that's just what you get with Cure Minor).

Also, I would invite all spellcasters to join me in firmly rejecting the continued creation of "as a scroll" granting tokens at UR. Tokens that turn off 5+ other tokens in your build to generate their effect are neither fun nor good design for a collectible token game, in my opinion.


I have no problem with them adding more recast as a scroll options, if they make casting scrolls a viable build path. To me the issue is not with these tokens, as they already exist at most rarities; the issue is that scrolls lack enough modifying tokens. The cat is out of the bag and the best solution is to make it a fun cat.
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Ultra Rare Token Ideas 3 years 2 months ago #498

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Orion Wiseman wrote: I have no problem with them adding more recast as a scroll options, if they make casting scrolls a viable build path. To me the issue is not with these tokens, as they already exist at most rarities; the issue is that scrolls lack enough modifying tokens. The cat is out of the bag and the best solution is to make it a fun cat.


Anything that would modify scrolls would NOT modify spells cast as scrolls.
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Ultra Rare Token Ideas 3 years 2 months ago #499

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jedibcg wrote:

Orion Wiseman wrote: I have no problem with them adding more recast as a scroll options, if they make casting scrolls a viable build path. To me the issue is not with these tokens, as they already exist at most rarities; the issue is that scrolls lack enough modifying tokens. The cat is out of the bag and the best solution is to make it a fun cat.


Anything that would modify scrolls would NOT modify spells cast as scrolls.


That clarification was a huge bummer.
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Ultra Rare Token Ideas 3 years 2 months ago #500

jedibcg wrote: Anything that would modify scrolls would NOT modify spells cast as scrolls.

Picc wrote: That clarification was a huge bummer.

And isn't that my job...? :evil:
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Ultra Rare Token Ideas 3 years 2 months ago #501

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Druegar wrote:

jedibcg wrote: Anything that would modify scrolls would NOT modify spells cast as scrolls.

Picc wrote: That clarification was a huge bummer.

And isn't that my job...? :evil:
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Ultra Rare Token Ideas 3 years 2 months ago #502

Picc wrote: I thought your job was to bring joy to all the children of the world ;)

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Ultra Rare Token Ideas 3 years 2 months ago #503

+1 scroll case of attack : wizard, bard, cleric, druid - 1 hand - 2,3,4,5 - protects scrolls from damage, adds 1 point of healing or damage to all targets of scrolls contained in this scroll case. May only be used for attack if a main hand weapon.

+3 Chaos Mallet : fighter, barbarian - main hand - 0, 5, 11, 16 -wielded takes 3 eldritch on a 16.
This averages out to 8 like the death flail, has a crazy swing, and also has a clear negative for crazy swinging. It also has a potential for only doing bonus damage which I this is an interesting space, as such I increased the to hit. Yes the 3 would mean if it were not a magical weapon, it would be a weapon with a damage wheel of -3,2,8,13
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Ultra Rare Token Ideas 3 years 2 months ago #504

macXdmg wrote: +1 scroll case of attack : wizard, bard, cleric, druid - 1 hand - 2,3,4,5 - protects scrolls from damage, adds 1 point of healing or damage to all targets of scrolls contained in this scroll case. May only be used for attack if a main hand weapon.

+3 Chaos Mallet : fighter, barbarian - main hand - 0, 5, 11, 16 -wielded takes 3 eldritch on a 16.
This averages out to 8 like the death flail, has a crazy swing, and also has a clear negative for crazy swinging. It also has a potential for only doing bonus damage which I this is an interesting space, as such I increased the to hit. Yes the 3 would mean if it were not a magical weapon, it would be a weapon with a damage wheel of -3,2,8,13


If you were wanting to try for a non-magic version, i would suggest printing the 0,5,11,16 damage wheel with '-3 damage' ability printed on the weapon.
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