TOPIC: Ultra Rare Token Ideas

Xavon wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Fiddy wrote:
Charm of Frenzied Attack - Your attack is +5 to hit and damage but monster can make an immediate free attack on you in response (Barbarian / Fighters) (1/combat) (attacks happen simultaneously, so neither side can shortcut the damage)

I worry this would slow down combat too much.

It would be very aggravating to only get in 2 rounds of combat because 2 of these were in the party and the monster had to resolve 4 extra attacks over those rounds due to two of these being in the party.

Ironically this would give these two players a chance to experience the joy casters experience in skipping skill checks because they take up too much time to be worth the 3 damage (or 5 in this case) they grant.

Maybe let the monster auto-hit instead. That would speed things up.

Yes - also I see it's once per combat so it would only be 2 extra attacks.

Still - I think these kind of 'LOOK AT ME' mechanics are bad in a party game.

When one player is taking up substantially more than 10% of the DMs time its not conducive to an enjoyable group experience.

Hmm? Look at me mechanics are the heart and soul of a party game. The tank is supposed to get the monster to focus on her, ignore the more squishy people. The fact that TD bypasses this so often is a major source of annoyance to many of us.

That said, I agree that this token is problematic, both in its time consumption and lack of clarity.

Maybe it is was something like:
Charm of Frenzy
+5 to to hit and damage on your next melee attack. The monster you attack must attack you on its next turn, and gets +3 to hit and damage. (1/combat)
Usable by: Barbarian & Fighters

My was more along the lines against a token that might have one player taking an action that will require the DM a substantial amount of time to resolve. These kinds of actions do not contribute to a good team / party experience.


I am not a fan of 'Taunt' like abilities. The monster gets only 1-2 actions for every 10 the party has. If there are multiple ways to bring about 'monster must X' then it becomes easy for the party to dictate all the monsters actions.

We've seen similar things be a problem before - the Monk's Stunning Fist ability had to be changed because players figured out ways to basically stun lock the monster.

Lenses of the ________ Hunter
+3 damage to physical ranged attacks

(This year we had an uncommon +1 damage)

Ioun Stone Infernal Frigid Prism
+2 pts cold damage with ranged weapons

Tome of Necromancy

Wizard / Elf Wizard

D 10+2 damage wheel

Sacrifice 2 Level 1 spells to summon skeleton Warrior. Slide to hit AC 20. Hit and Damage bonus = to spell damage bonus.

Endgame wrote: Tome of Necromancy

Wizard / Elf Wizard

D 10+2 damage wheel

Sacrifice 2 Level 1 spells to summon skeleton Warrior. Slide to hit AC 20. Hit and Damage bonus = to spell damage bonus.

Very cool. Hard to beat Gregor's, but hopefully INT stats open up more tomes soon.

Arnold wrote:

Endgame wrote: Tome of Necromancy

Wizard / Elf Wizard

D 10+2 damage wheel

Sacrifice 2 Level 1 spells to summon skeleton Warrior. Slide to hit AC 20. Hit and Damage bonus = to spell damage bonus.

Very cool. Hard to beat Gregor's, but hopefully INT stats open up more tomes soon.

I envisioned the skeleton warrior lasting all room and disabling further spell casting (spin on polymorph), but realize I didn't state it. Would that change your opinion when comparing to Gregors?

Endgame wrote:

Arnold wrote:

Endgame wrote: Tome of Necromancy

Wizard / Elf Wizard

D 10+2 damage wheel

Sacrifice 2 Level 1 spells to summon skeleton Warrior. Slide to hit AC 20. Hit and Damage bonus = to spell damage bonus.

Very cool. Hard to beat Gregor's, but hopefully INT stats open up more tomes soon.

I envisioned the skeleton warrior lasting all room and disabling further spell casting (spin on polymorph), but realize I didn't state it. Would that change your opinion when comparing to Gregors?

I would love it as say a figurine of power.

Picc wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Arnold wrote:

Endgame wrote: Tome of Necromancy

Wizard / Elf Wizard

D 10+2 damage wheel

Sacrifice 2 Level 1 spells to summon skeleton Warrior. Slide to hit AC 20. Hit and Damage bonus = to spell damage bonus.

Very cool. Hard to beat Gregor's, but hopefully INT stats open up more tomes soon.

I envisioned the skeleton warrior lasting all room and disabling further spell casting (spin on polymorph), but realize I didn't state it. Would that change your opinion when comparing to Gregors?

I would love it as say a figurine of power.

Figurine of power: ghost - 1/game, summon ghost for rest of combat, it deals 8 force damage to any monster each round.

I equip that, and that tome of necromancy, and medallion of mystic mouth, AND i cast a spell or scroll...finally, wizard can do more things than bard or druid summoner.

kurtreznor wrote:

Picc wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Arnold wrote:

Endgame wrote: Tome of Necromancy

Wizard / Elf Wizard

D 10+2 damage wheel

Sacrifice 2 Level 1 spells to summon skeleton Warrior. Slide to hit AC 20. Hit and Damage bonus = to spell damage bonus.

Very cool. Hard to beat Gregor's, but hopefully INT stats open up more tomes soon.

I envisioned the skeleton warrior lasting all room and disabling further spell casting (spin on polymorph), but realize I didn't state it. Would that change your opinion when comparing to Gregors?

I would love it as say a figurine of power.

Figurine of power: ghost - 1/game, summon ghost for rest of combat, it deals 8 force damage to any monster each round.

I equip that, and that tome of necromancy, and medallion of mystic mouth, AND i cast a spell or scroll...finally, wizard can do more things than bard or druid summoner.

You know that would be a cool build, every round you activate another damage over time effect until you build up to a crazy output. Kinda the opposite of the current blow everything all up front style of wizardry.

Endgame wrote:

Arnold wrote:

Endgame wrote: Tome of Necromancy

Wizard / Elf Wizard

D 10+2 damage wheel

Sacrifice 2 Level 1 spells to summon skeleton Warrior. Slide to hit AC 20. Hit and Damage bonus = to spell damage bonus.

Very cool. Hard to beat Gregor's, but hopefully INT stats open up more tomes soon.

I envisioned the skeleton warrior lasting all room and disabling further spell casting (spin on polymorph), but realize I didn't state it. Would that change your opinion when comparing to Gregors?

I'm a big fan of the concept of a sliding mechanic for wizards that keys off of Focus level. Since Gregor's is +2 to that stat, you'd be sacrificing some focus oomph to equip the Neconomicon. I suppose it would ultimately depend on what difficulty I was running and whether or not I had a decent Staff of Focus.

Arnold wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Arnold wrote:

Endgame wrote: Tome of Necromancy

Wizard / Elf Wizard

D 10+2 damage wheel

Sacrifice 2 Level 1 spells to summon skeleton Warrior. Slide to hit AC 20. Hit and Damage bonus = to spell damage bonus.

Very cool. Hard to beat Gregor's, but hopefully INT stats open up more tomes soon.

I envisioned the skeleton warrior lasting all room and disabling further spell casting (spin on polymorph), but realize I didn't state it. Would that change your opinion when comparing to Gregors?

I'm a big fan of the concept of a sliding mechanic for wizards that keys off of Focus level. Since Gregor's is +2 to that stat, you'd be sacrificing some focus oomph to equip the Neconomicon. I suppose it would ultimately depend on what difficulty I was running and whether or not I had a decent Staff of Focus.

Now that's an idea we should bank for the wizard legendary. The necronomicon would be an awsome class specific

Picc wrote: Now that's an idea we should bank for the wizard legendary. The necronomicon would be an awsome class specific

Cool if they could raise a dead player and have them continue fighting at reduced hit

Krym wrote:

Picc wrote: Now that's an idea we should bank for the wizard legendary. The necronomicon would be an awsome class specific

Cool if they could raise a dead player and have them continue fighting at reduced hit

I just feel like as a paladin that I have a hard time healing or guarding someone evil enough to use that book.

In all seriousness though, I like the concept