TOPIC: E1 7(or 8?) Token Challenge

Wade Schwendemann wrote: The bonuses to heals and damage come as a benefit to the idea of using the eldritch set for cleric and druid. The question to my mind is whether the ability to split heals up (at +2) is enough to justify LoDS.

Bard could go Cloak of Blending, or kilt for Dex and then Thor's?

If there is lots of AOE damage then the Lenses would be handier than the Ring of Greater Focus, but if it lots of single source damage then the Ring wins, imo. Obviously we don't know what types of damage there will be just saying that I think either option would be good.

If Bard are using Cloak of Bending do they need a Thor's? Or If they are going to use a Thor's do they need a Cloak of Bending.

jedibcg wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: The bonuses to heals and damage come as a benefit to the idea of using the eldritch set for cleric and druid. The question to my mind is whether the ability to split heals up (at +2) is enough to justify LoDS.

Bard could go Cloak of Blending, or kilt for Dex and then Thor's?

If there is lots of AOE damage then the Lenses would be handier than the Ring of Greater Focus, but if it lots of single source damage then the Ring wins, imo. Obviously we don't know what types of damage there will be just saying that I think either option would be good.

If Bard are using Cloak of Bending do they need a Thor's? Or If they are going to use a Thor's do they need a Cloak of Bending.

Maybe lenses for the cleric, ring for the druid, given the increase to spell damage as well?
Or does the eldritch set plus the possible threat of actually swinging with a Baton hold any sway?

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Or does the eldritch set plus the possible threat of actually swinging with a Baton hold any sway?

Not exactly following.

Is the time that it does less damage dealers (bard and cleric) worth the little damage they do (compared to others) worth having them slide at all? I don't have an answer to this question just purposing it as a thought.

If there are sliders then consider RoSP Bard with legendary instrument as one of the best.

I tend to like elf wizard and wizard also for the set of 10 classes.

No focus items possible crowns of expertise to redo big spell.

Bard could add +6/+6 for 3 seperate combats. And one of the wizards could daze twice.

I'm interested. I think it can be done but would be tight.

Fred

edwin wrote: If there are sliders then consider RoSP Bard with legendary instrument as one of the best.

I tend to like elf wizard and wizard also for the set of 10 classes.

No focus items possible crowns of expertise to redo big spell.

Bard could add +6/+6 for 3 seperate combats. And one of the wizards could daze twice.

I completely agree on Bard Troubador as an absolute beast. Side benefit could be that they could be level 5 with one eldritch item, leaving another token open.

Crown of Expertise is a different question. Relsa's gives +5 to every spell rather than a repeat of one big one. I was thinking about Ring of Spell Storing as well, which could be another way to go.

jedibcg wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Or does the eldritch set plus the possible threat of actually swinging with a Baton hold any sway?

Not exactly following.

Is the time that it does less damage dealers (bard and cleric) worth the little damage they do (compared to others) worth having them slide at all? I don't have an answer to this question just purposing it as a thought.

I guess what I was saying was, sometimes the cleric and druid will be swinging rather than spells or healing. Would the additional damage that comes from the eldritch set be worth equipping, also considering the additional healing that comes? Or would other tokens be better? More of a food for thought question.

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

edwin wrote: If there are sliders then consider RoSP Bard with legendary instrument as one of the best.

I tend to like elf wizard and wizard also for the set of 10 classes.

No focus items possible crowns of expertise to redo big spell.

Bard could add +6/+6 for 3 seperate combats. And one of the wizards could daze twice.

I completely agree on Bard Troubador as an absolute beast. Side benefit could be that they could be level 5 with one eldritch item, leaving another token open.

Crown of Expertise is a different question. Relsa's gives +5 to every spell rather than a repeat of one big one. I was thinking about Ring of Spell Storing as well, which could be another way to go.

jedibcg wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Or does the eldritch set plus the possible threat of actually swinging with a Baton hold any sway?

Not exactly following.

Is the time that it does less damage dealers (bard and cleric) worth the little damage they do (compared to others) worth having them slide at all? I don't have an answer to this question just purposing it as a thought.

I guess what I was saying was, sometimes the cleric and druid will be swinging rather than spells or healing. Would the additional damage that comes from the eldritch set be worth equipping, also considering the additional healing that comes? Or would other tokens be better? More of a food for thought question.

I think it comes down to do you want them to be more diverse or more specialized. Like you could give the paladin a weapon because it is more damage on the table, but it is less AC. So do you go diverse or specialization. If cleric goes special (they don't have much for offensive spells anyway) then Eldritch set might not be optimal. Like the Ring of Greater Focus v LoDS I don't know there is a wrong answer as long as you know why you are making the choice of specialization or not.

So, assuming specialized is the way to go given limited tokens meaning limited ability to diversify.

Cleric: 1-Healing, 2-Support (restore spell/power, prayer, bless, etc)
Druid: 1- Healing, 2- Spell damage?
Bard: 1-Support (Bardsong, possibly enhanced), 2- ?
Barbarian: 1- Melee Damage
Wizard: 1-Spell Damage
Elf Wizard: 1-Spell Damage
Paladin: 1-Defense/Tank
Monk: 1-Melee Damage
Ranger: 1-Melee Damage? Ranged Damage? Could do both with Thor's.
Rouge: 1-Puzzle Clues, 2: Melee Damage? Support with Flank?

Wade Schwendemann wrote: So, assuming specialized is the way to go given limited tokens meaning limited ability to diversify.

Cleric: 1-Healing, 2-Support (restore spell/power, prayer, bless, etc)
Druid: 1- Healing, 2- Spell damage?
Bard: 1-Support (Bardsong, possibly enhanced), 2- ?
Barbarian: 1- Melee Damage
Wizard: 1-Spell Damage
Elf Wizard: 1-Spell Damage
Paladin: 1-Defense/Tank
Monk: 1-Melee Damage
Ranger: 1-Melee Damage? Ranged Damage? Could do both with Thor's.
Rouge: 1-Puzzle Clues, 2: Melee Damage? Support with Flank?

Ranger needs a second weapon to do melee, just saying.

Ranger option
CoA
ISSN
ISGN
Kilt (for Dex)
Boots
Thor's
Asher's

Does that seem ok? Then Ranger can do both, though I suppose less effectively than if they focus on Ranged specifically.
I think the damage from a second melee slide (plus Bardsong) would cover their ranged damage bonus.

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Ranger option
CoA
ISSN
ISGN
Kilt (for Dex)
Boots
Thor's
Asher's

Does that seem ok? Then Ranger can do both, though I suppose less effectively than if they focus on Ranged specifically.
I think the damage from a second melee slide (plus Bardsong) would cover their ranged damage bonus.

I think that is good for ranger (not certain if we have the tokens for it in this group), but I think it is strong build.

I should note I can cover 10 CoA, ISSN, and ISGN. I can cover 1 legendary Plate, 1 legendary mail, 1 Legendary Staff of Focus, but that is the extent of my legendaries. I will have 2 eldritch kilts and 2 eldritch boots, 1 Ro7P, 1 RoSEC

I have everything except an Asher's, or I will by the time Origins rolls around.