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Will Corona Virus stop the new True Dungeon show? 1 year 1 month ago #37

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Will Corona Virus stop the new True Dungeon show? 1 year 1 month ago #38

For those who are interested, the Smithsonian magazine published an amazing article about “the Spanish Flu.” It was shocking to learn how much it spread due to sedition laws, how it got named the Spanish Flu (it didn’t originate there), why it got so bad, and that it was very likely Wilson had it when negotiating the end of WW1.

www.smithsonianmag.com/history/journal-plague-year-180965222/

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Will Corona Virus stop the new True Dungeon show? 1 year 1 month ago #39

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  1. the few benefits of getting old is that you start to realize you’ve seen a lot of stuff before.

    SARS, MERS, Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Ebola... every couple of years a new super-flu is unleashed. Every time it’s the worst ever, and every time we’re warned that millions could die. In the last century, that’s never happened. And usually the government response is tepid at best. The last administration waited for six months until 2000 Americans had died before declaring an emergency. This one did it much sooner, and here we are two months later with “only” 4000 deaths world wide, and only a couple dozen in the US. Car crashes have killed almost 4k people per month worldwide.
During the 2018-19 flu season, about 35 million people in the US contracted the “regular” flu and about 34,000 died.

For some reason the media seems to be trying to panic everyone. I saw one headline that “corona deaths had more than tripled this week.” In other words, the total went from 2 to 7. Technically not a lie, but it seemed misleading nonetheless.

I’m not putting down anyone who is concerned. I’m just saying, I’ve seen this all before. Maybe this time it will be different, but from all I’ve read, I doubt it.

Wear your seatbelt. Wash your hands. If you’re sick, stay home. When someone tries to get you to panic, try not to. And try not to spread any diseases. Even non-covid flu kills thousands of people every year.


Did you just seriously compare Ebola to a super flu? Not at all the same. One is influenza and one is a disease that causes mass hemorrhaging and had a 50% mortality rate.

I work in the medical industry and the reason this is being taken so seriously is because of the mortality rate in certain demographics. Yes, COVID-19 is basically a bad cold for most demographics (primarily people under 50), but once you get into the 50+ age group the mortality rate spikes to 2+%. The mortality rate for the regular flu is about 0.1%, while the COVID-19 mortality rate in younger people is about 0.3%. The key difference here is that there is no vaccine yet. With no vaccines, there is a possibility for mass spread of the illness. A mass spread in an un-vaccinated population means more cases of COVID-19 than the commun flu. More cases with a higher mortality rate means more deaths. Also, people are getting sick and are contagious for weeks before they start showing symptoms, allowing it to spread much easier than it's predecessors.

Italy had 133 deaths on Sunday alone. This brought their total deaths into the 300s. At that point, they had over 7000 cases. So, by that math, that's about 4% mortality rate.

Herd immunity is how we stop outbreaks of terrible illnesses and diseases and until we have the ability to be vaccinated, so until then everyone should be careful and clean. It's no ebola, but it's a lot easier to transfer to others.

TLDR: COVID-19 is much worse than the common flu or cold. It is completely reasonable to be in a "panic" about illnesses like this. Especially if it causes people to be more clean and take precautions to help inhibit spread. As long as these precautions are taken, there shouldn't be a mass outbreak.

Also, as an aside, if your comment about the "previous administration" is about H1N1, then it's not really true. A public health emergency was declared before the WHO had even declared it a pandemic. He declared a national emergency after 2000 citizens died.
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Will Corona Virus stop the new True Dungeon show? 1 year 1 month ago #40

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Arthur wrote: Wanting to go to the new TD show but thinking it may be cancelled because of chrono virus?
Do not want to take the chance of being around all those people with this situation.


Chrono Virus?!? Does getting it cause unintentional time shifts?!
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Will Corona Virus stop the new True Dungeon show? 1 year 1 month ago #41

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Arthur wrote: Lazlo please tell me what medical degree you hold?

I say again.. The entire country of Italy is on lock down.
As recent as three weeks ago it was fine.

Following the ego of people like Lazlo is not wise.

Please just consider that as of mere weeks ago Italy, China, Iran, South Korea
were fine. Now all are on lock down.

Should we be prepping for a True Dungeon show right now? Maybe we should we use our money
to prepare for something we have never experienced.

I am not here to act out of ego and name call like Lazlo is doing. I am just asking questions and trying to make the best informed decision for my family in this situation. I love True Dungeon events as does my family. I just want everyone to be safe so we have TD for years to come.


If entire countries are shutting their borders and this is a huge button for you then why are you even asking questions about TD and MOMO Con?!? Just don't go. Be safe for you and yours.

May I assume if TD does go to MOMO Con and you and your family go and you/yours somehow get Coronavirus you plan on suing TD and MOMO Con because you got sick when they should have known better and cancelled? That's the way I'm taking your posts. If you are so concerned why are you even debating the issue. Don't. Go. Period.

Just stop trying to spread panic.
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Will Corona Virus stop the new True Dungeon show? 1 year 1 month ago #42

Ro-gan wrote: May I assume if TD does go to MOMO Con and you and your family go and you/yours somehow get Coronavirus you plan on suing TD and MOMO Con because you got sick when they should have known better and cancelled? That's the way I'm taking your posts. If you are so concerned why are you even debating the issue. Don't. Go. Period.

Just stop trying to spread panic.


This is the assumption I come to when reading this post as well. Is it bad? Yes. Should you blame others if you go and get sick? No. Should you be asking questions that incite panic and irritation to others on this forum? Also no.

So, from what I gather here you are trying to come up with an excuse to not go to Momo, but don't want to lose the $ if it isn't cancelled. That is my interpretation here. I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm not I agree with Ro-gan. Take care of your family and have your priorities in the proper order.
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Will Corona Virus stop the new True Dungeon show? 1 year 1 month ago #43

Thought this may be appropriate to share for this topic.

. President Donald Trump's speech to the nation on the coronavirus :

My fellow Americans: Tonight, I want to speak with you about our nation's unprecedented response to the coronavirus outbreak that started in China and is now spreading throughout the world.
Today, the World Health Organization officially announced that this is a global pandemic.

We have been in frequent contact with our allies, and we are marshalling the full power of the federal government and the private sector to protect the American people.
This is the most aggressive and comprehensive effort to confront a foreign virus in modern history. I am confident that by counting and continuing to take these tough measures, we will significantly reduce the threat to our citizens, and we will ultimately and expeditiously defeat this virus.
From the beginning of time, nations and people have faced unforeseen challenges, including large-scale and very dangerous health threats. This is the way it always was and always will be. It only matters how you respond, and we are responding with great speed and professionalism.
Our team is the best anywhere in the world. At the very start of the outbreak, we instituted sweeping travel restrictions on China and put in place the first federally mandated quarantine in over 50 years. We declared a public health emergency and issued the highest level of travel warning on other countries as the virus spread its horrible infection.
And taking early intense action, we have seen dramatically fewer cases of the virus in the United States than are now present in Europe.
The European Union failed to take the same precautions and restrict travel from China and other hotspots. As a result, a large number of new clusters in the United States were seeded by travelers from Europe.
After consulting with our top government health professionals, I have decided to take several strong but necessary actions to protect the health and wellbeing of all Americans.
To keep new cases from entering our shores, we will be suspending all travel from Europe to the United States for the next 30 days. The new rules will go into effect Friday at midnight. These restrictions will be adjusted subject to conditions on the ground.
There will be exemptions for Americans who have undergone appropriate screenings, and these prohibitions will not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but various other things as we get approval. Anything coming from Europe to the United States is what we are discussing. These restrictions will also not apply to the United Kingdom.
At the same time, we are monitoring the situation in China and in South Korea. And, as their situation improves, we will reevaluate the restrictions and warnings that are currently in place for a possible early opening.
Earlier this week, I met with the leaders of health insurance industry who have agreed to waive all copayments for coronavirus treatments, extend insurance coverage to these treatments, and to prevent surprise medical billing.
We are cutting massive amounts of red tape to make antiviral therapies available in record time. These treatments will significantly reduce the impact and reach of the virus.
Additionally, last week, I signed into law an $8.3 billion funding bill to help CDC and other government agencies fight the virus and support vaccines, treatments, and distribution of medical supplies. Testing and testing capabilities are expanding rapidly, day by day. We are moving very quickly.
The vast majority of Americans: The risk is very, very low. Young and healthy people can expect to recover fully and quickly if they should get the virus. The highest risk is for elderly population with underlying health conditions. The elderly population must be very, very careful.
In particular, we are strongly advising that nursing homes for the elderly suspend all medically unnecessary visits. In general, older Americans should also avoid nonessential travel in crowded areas.
My administration is coordinating directly with communities with the largest outbreaks, and we have issued guidance on school closures, social distancing, and reducing large gatherings.
Smart action today will prevent the spread of the virus tomorrow.
Every community faces different risks and it is critical for you to follow the guidelines of your local officials who are working closely with our federal health experts -- and they are the best.
For all Americans, it is essential that everyone take extra precautions and practice good hygiene. Each of us has a role to play in defeating this virus. Wash your hands, clean often-used surfaces, cover your face and mouth if you sneeze or cough, and most of all, if you are sick or not feeling well, stay home.
To ensure that working Americans impacted by the virus can stay home without fear of financial hardship, I will soon be taking emergency action, which is unprecedented, to provide financial relief. This will be targeted for workers who are ill, quarantined, or caring for others due to coronavirus.
I will be asking Congress to take legislative action to extend this relief.
Because of the economic policies that we have put into place over the last three years, we have the greatest economy anywhere in the world, by far.
Our banks and financial institutions are fully capitalized and incredibly strong. Our unemployment is at a historic low. This vast economic prosperity gives us flexibility, reserves, and resources to handle any threat that comes our way.
This is not a financial crisis, this is just a temporary moment of time that we will overcome together as a nation and as a world.
However, to provide extra support for American workers, families, and businesses, tonight I am announcing the following additional actions: I am instructing the Small Business Administration to exercise available authority to provide capital and liquidity to firms affected by the coronavirus.
Effective immediately, the SBA will begin providing economic loans in affected states and territories. These low-interest loans will help small businesses overcome temporary economic disruptions caused by the virus. To this end, I am asking Congress to increase funding for this program by an additional $50 billion.
Using emergency authority, I will be instructing the Treasury Department to defer tax payments, without interest or penalties, for certain individuals and businesses negatively impacted. This action will provide more than $200 billion of additional liquidity to the economy.
Finally, I am calling on Congress to provide Americans with immediate payroll tax relief. Hopefully they will consider this very strongly.
We are at a critical time in the fight against the virus. We made a life-saving move with early action on China. Now we must take the same action with Europe. We will not delay. I will never hesitate to take any necessary steps to protect the lives, health, and safety of the American people. I will always put the wellbeing of America first.
If we are vigilant -- and we can reduce the chance of infection, which we will -- we will significantly impede the transmission of the virus. The virus will not have a chance against us.
No nation is more prepared or more resilient than the United States. We have the best economy, the most advanced healthcare, and the most talented doctors, scientists, and researchers anywhere in the world.
We are all in this together. We must put politics aside, stop the partisanship, and unify together as one nation and one family.
As history has proven time and time again, Americans always rise to the challenge and overcome adversity.

Our future remains brighter than anyone can imagine. Acting with compassion and love, we will heal the sick, care for those in need, help our fellow citizens, and emerge from this challenge stronger and more unified than ever before.
God bless you, and God bless America. Thank you.
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Will Corona Virus stop the new True Dungeon show? 1 year 1 month ago #44

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I'm sorry, but sharing the presidents speech is not appropriate and crosses a line. It is political and has no place on this forum regardless of how it may make you feel Arthur or it's content. I really like the TD community because it has been a haven from politics and the general nastiness that I see perpetrated on a daily basis. You want to politicize these pages, I can gladly spend my time elsewhere.

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Will Corona Virus stop the new True Dungeon show? 1 year 1 month ago #45

It seems like Arthur is back trying to stir up fear again. If you're really that concerned just don't go to the conventions.
Fall down......Go boom!
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Will Corona Virus stop the new True Dungeon show? 1 year 1 month ago #46

If you're going to post the drivel that man spouts here, and believe that he has much to say regarding facts and authority on this situation, then my worst fears regarding the average American's ability to think critically and research information on their own have been realized.

People have posted countless links to information that you could use to inform yourself. You have not done it. People have posted information from actual authorities on this situation and infectious diseases in general. You have ignored their posts. Instead you post a politically driven speech from a politician who has the record for most outright lies uttered during their time in office. This is troubling to say the least. I am hopeful you are simply a troll.
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Will Corona Virus stop the new True Dungeon show? 1 year 1 month ago #47

jpotter wrote: If you're going to post the drivel that man spouts here, and believe that he has much to say regarding facts and authority on this situation, then my worst fears regarding the average American's ability to think critically and research information on their own have been realized.

People have posted countless links to information that you could use to inform yourself. You have not done it. People have posted information from actual authorities on this situation and infectious diseases in general. You have ignored their posts. Instead you post a politically driven speech from a politician who has the record for most outright lies uttered during their time in office. This is troubling to say the least. I am hopeful you are simply a troll.


If you're trying to keep politics out of the forum, this post doesn't succeed in that. This seems like a far more political post than what Arthur posted,which did deal with the Coronavirus subject of this thread.
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Will Corona Virus stop the new True Dungeon show? 1 year 1 month ago #48

Mike Steele wrote:
If you're trying to keep politics out of the forum, this post doesn't succeed in that. This seems like a far more political post than what Arthur posted,which did deal with the Coronavirus subject of this thread.


I wasn’t trying to keep politics out of it.

He posted a bad source and is attempting to use it to explain his panicky response. The reason it is a bad source is rooted in politics. No way to escape that.
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