TOPIC: TRUE HORDE Signup

If we have anyone in any of the groups with artifacts with group effects, I wonder if those effects will effect all 30 players.

Matthew Hayward wrote:

quip wrote:
#1 - ... Part of what goes with that is the potential for class selection given that you are early.

Absolutely not - this was never stated as a benefit by Jeff, or anyone else involved with TD.

At no point is "when you bought the ticket" a factor in resolving class disputes for normal TD runs.

The GT runs are somewhat in that vein, but not relevant to this note as:
A. GT run organization is done at Jeff's request.
B. The mechanics of how that works are clear in advance and consistent from year to year, allowing people to plan.

GT runs are in no way precedent for bunch of forumites nominating themselves to be the people in charge of who gets to play what class, full stop.

If they were, I could post in the forums: "I bought 3 tickets to the 1:20 Saturday beneath castle Altus, and will be playing Ranger, Druid, and Monk." And somehow expecting this to influence what happens in the coaching room for that run.

#2 - See Henwy's post. The Friday Horde is already full, so no point in waiting to begin planning.

What is happening here isn't planning, it's speculation. We don't know how True Hoard will be organized, how classes will be selected, or anything else.

What is happening here is people calling "dibs" on stuff that they guess will be in constrained demand.

There is no justification for holding up these "dibs" claims over some other player based in communication for TD (because there has been none), or precedent on GT runs (which is a different system from what is being done here).



This whole enterprise is setting people up for hard feelings, either of the:

1. I didn't know we had to reserve classes in the middle of the work day pacific time in order to get the class we want, bummer!

2. I registered my class preference, I was first to say I wanted Ranger, I've been planning my build for months - now I learn that at the event I'll be forced to play another class, because what I said in some random forum thread is not actually how this event is being run, bummer!





I'm all for coordinating classes and teamwork ahead of time - but not before we know what classes will be available, and how potential conflicts will be resolved.

I'm strongly against further reinforcing the notion that because someone was at a computer at 3 PM Pacific time on 1/18 and made a post in a non-official forum area, somehow that has some bearing on any other players class selection.

+1 to this Matt

Matthew Hayward wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: I'm all for coordinating classes and teamwork ahead of time - but not before we know what classes will be available, and how potential conflicts will be resolved.

I'm strongly against further reinforcing the notion that because someone was at a computer at 3 PM Pacific time on 1/18 and made a post in a non-official forum area, somehow that has some bearing on any other players class selection.

And if Jeff doesn't provide any guidance on what classes will be available and how the potential conflicts will be resolved. You would rather just show up on site and have everyone figure it out? There is no where in this thread that says you will get to be the class that is marked. The first line in the first post is class preference. I hope everyone reads and knows what preference means. Coordination is good, preparation is good. If you don't want to partake in it don't. Same would be true of a GT or a Grind. No one says you have to go to the forums and have to sign in and post anything. It just generally makes your runs more manageable.

This is all premature.

If there is no further guidance on class selection, then yes, by all means, as a community let's try to make some progress.

But let's not get out over our skis. There are more than 90 days until the event, and Jeff has another con to run between now and then.

Rather than setting up a bunch of expectations that we can't necessarily fulfill, let's wait till we have more information.

"The same" is obviously not true of a GT, for the reason that GT run coordination is done at TD's behest, it is an official TD process not one the community invents. Trying to analogize the two is like saying: because I was invited to my friends house for dinner on Tuesday, I may show up on Friday and help myself to food. There is no connection between how GT runs are organized and this thread.




But - I'll take your advice - I'll stop coordinating prematurely, I'll wait until we have enough information to do so sensibly, and if anyone tries to use their participation in this thread as justification for why they get to utilize a constrained resource in favor of someone who didn't, I'll simply object at that time.

And +1 to this.

Prefer that we wait until two weeks prior to start the coordination.

edwin wrote: Prefer that we wait until two weeks prior to start the coordination.

If the run is filled and we have all 30 people on the forums and Jeff validates the group build rules it's probably better to start building the full group pages ASAP. In my experience it can take weeks to get character builds from everyone to fill out sheets and a lot of loaning of tokens to maximize characters can happen in a run like this. I'd definitely suggest we ask Jeff what restrictions on this run (single room/multiple - 3 10 man groups, standard class restrictions / no restrictions on classes - No TEUR ala Grind/full treasure) and start the process of finalizing group builds now.

Plus if gives those evil people like Incognito more info on the group design and that definitely can make the event a bit more challenging ^_^

edwin wrote: Prefer that we wait until two weeks prior to start the coordination.

No one is making you participate in coordination now so wait till two weeks out. However if some want to start coordinating now then they are going to start.

Jeff321 wrote: So far Friday, looking at everyone's first choice, we have:

Barbarian 3
Bard 1
Cleric 2
Druid 3
Dwarf Fighter 2
Elf Wizard 0
Fighter 2
Monk 3
Paladin 3
Ranger 3
Rogue 2
Wizard 1
(Total 25)

Light on wizards but otherwise pretty good. If for example we had 5 monks already we might have had an issue. But being relatively balanced I think bodes well for lack of class conflicts at the event.

The question becomes, did some of the later responders choose their 2nd or 3rd favored class because of what they already saw posted.

We should all be able to play what we want, or follow normal selection rules. Anyone who hasn't selected yet shouldn't be shoehorned into a class they don't want (apparently wizard mostly).

I think preparation is great, and I'm all for what we've done already. I just don't want a few people to feel squeezed into Wizard, Elf Wizard, or Bard.

I will be happy to move from pally to elf wizard or bard if that will help the party... will be fun for me either way

Signed-up for Saturday - druid or whatever is needed (probably not wizard or bard).

Matthew Hayward wrote:

quip wrote:
#1 - ... Part of what goes with that is the potential for class selection given that you are early.

Absolutely not - this was never stated as a benefit by Jeff, or anyone else involved with TD.

At no point is "when you bought the ticket" a factor in resolving class disputes for normal TD runs.

The GT runs are somewhat in that vein, but not relevant to this note as:
A. GT run organization is done at Jeff's request.
B. The mechanics of how that works are clear in advance and consistent from year to year, allowing people to plan.

GT runs are in no way precedent for bunch of forumites nominating themselves to be the people in charge of who gets to play what class, full stop.

If they were, I could post in the forums: "I bought 3 tickets to the 1:20 Saturday beneath castle Altus, and will be playing Ranger, Druid, and Monk." And somehow expecting this to influence what happens in the coaching room for that run.

#2 - See Henwy's post. The Friday Horde is already full, so no point in waiting to begin planning.

What is happening here isn't planning, it's speculation. We don't know how True Hoard will be organized, how classes will be selected, or anything else.

What is happening here is people calling "dibs" on stuff that they guess will be in constrained demand.

There is no justification for holding up these "dibs" claims over some other player based in communication for TD (because there has been none), or precedent on GT runs (which is a different system from what is being done here).



This whole enterprise is setting people up for hard feelings, either of the:

1. I didn't know we had to reserve classes in the middle of the work day pacific time in order to get the class we want, bummer!

2. I registered my class preference, I was first to say I wanted Ranger, I've been planning my build for months - now I learn that at the event I'll be forced to play another class, because what I said in some random forum thread is not actually how this event is being run, bummer!





I'm all for coordinating classes and teamwork ahead of time - but not before we know what classes will be available, and how potential conflicts will be resolved.

I'm strongly against further reinforcing the notion that because someone was at a computer at 3 PM Pacific time on 1/18 and made a post in a non-official forum area, somehow that has some bearing on any other players class selection.

The sentiment expressed here is how some of us feel toward the golden ticket run planning. What would happen if I never 'signed up' but then appeared at GT event requesting Ranger on combat? ...that would be my preference AND is usually the first request booked up. Also, I don't like when a system is so easily manipulated...someone who has at least a fair chance at getting a GT (or not, even) can post they have one as soon as the first orders are reported arriving at homes, just to claim a class. Then a week later they receive and open tokens, if they don't have one they can post that they decided to sell it.

Basically this is a giant True Grind. People work out what they want to play every year ahead of time. If multiple people want to play a class that there is a limited number of it is worked out. We don't even know if there will be class limitation so everyone putting their preference of class play doesn't hurt anything. If you see 5 people want to play Barbarian and then find out that it is limited to 3 then you work it out. If you cannot work well as a team I am guessing you are going to have trouble on this new adventure Jeff has setup for us.


Again of course you do not have to participate in saying a class preference. I imagine most will agree though working out the details for 30 people is a lot more complex than 10.

This makes me glad I am a wizard - there's always two slots possible, and there's not as much competition!