TOPIC: Proxy Tokens and DMs

Ro-gan wrote: Here's what I don't get:

So what if people practice at home with homemade or bought or stolen sliders and start sliding 20s during the Cons!?m. Seriously...

I don't care, but maybe Jeff does is the point I was making. If he doesn't then maybe we get to buy sliders. If he does then maybe we don't. If we do it will be an advantage to those that do buy and practice with them. Again I don't care. This is not a competition. What you do on your run has very little to do with what I do on my run.

jedibcg wrote:

Ro-gan wrote: Here's what I don't get:

So what if people practice at home with homemade or bought or stolen sliders and start sliding 20s during the Cons!?m. Seriously...

I don't care, but maybe Jeff does is the point I was making. If he doesn't then maybe we get to buy sliders. If he does then maybe we don't. If we do it will be an advantage to those that do buy and practice with them. Again I don't care. This is not a competition. What you do on your run has very little to do with what I do on my run.

Maybe. When a succession of parties roflstomp the final monster on Thursday and the monsters HP gets ratcheted up, you might care a lot.

Harlax wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Ro-gan wrote: Here's what I don't get:

So what if people practice at home with homemade or bought or stolen sliders and start sliding 20s during the Cons!?m. Seriously...

I don't care, but maybe Jeff does is the point I was making. If he doesn't then maybe we get to buy sliders. If he does then maybe we don't. If we do it will be an advantage to those that do buy and practice with them. Again I don't care. This is not a competition. What you do on your run has very little to do with what I do on my run.

Maybe. When a succession of parties roflstomp the final monster on Thursday and the monsters HP gets ratcheted up, you might care a lot.

True but I doubt that will because they slide well. More the monster was too weak or everyone was under difficulty or over tokened.

Ro-gan wrote: Here's what I don't get:

So what if people practice at home with homemade or bought or stolen sliders and start sliding 20s during the Cons!?m. Seriously...

How does this really matter!? TD does not have a database system for most 20s/most hits-misses/most damage (which would be my Dwarf with 124 in one hit - ). We do know there are certain DMs out there that get off on getting TPKs no matter what, but this should in no way bear upon personal sliders.

I don't think established teams would care if monsters go down hard within 1-2 rounds. I'm thinking practicing at home with personal sliders would only effect PUGs.

I certainly don't think we want to even be mentioning the possibility of someone stealing a slider to practice at home with it. Even a few people stealing a slider would cause all sorts of problems in the Dungeons. I can see why Jeff might prefer to not have people practicing with actual sliders at home, to keep a more level playing field for all players. And has been said earlier, that does open up the possibility of someone modifying their slider somehow to perform better.

jedibcg wrote:

Ro-gan wrote: Here's what I don't get:

So what if people practice at home with homemade or bought or stolen sliders and start sliding 20s during the Cons!?m. Seriously...

I don't care, but maybe Jeff does is the point I was making. If he doesn't then maybe we get to buy sliders. If he does then maybe we don't. If we do it will be an advantage to those that do buy and practice with them. Again I don't care. This is not a competition. What you do on your run has very little to do with what I do on my run.

I wasn't calling you out on anything you may have said. I was just making a general comment.

Mike Steele wrote:

Ro-gan wrote: Here's what I don't get:

So what if people practice at home with homemade or bought or stolen sliders and start sliding 20s during the Cons!?m. Seriously...

How does this really matter!? TD does not have a database system for most 20s/most hits-misses/most damage (which would be my Dwarf with 124 in one hit - ). We do know there are certain DMs out there that get off on getting TPKs no matter what, but this should in no way bear upon personal sliders.

I don't think established teams would care if monsters go down hard within 1-2 rounds. I'm thinking practicing at home with personal sliders would only effect PUGs.

I certainly don't think we want to even be mentioning the possibility of someone stealing a slider to practice at home with it. Even a few people stealing a slider would cause all sorts of problems in the Dungeons. I can see why Jeff might prefer to not have people practicing with actual sliders at home, to keep a more level playing field for all players. And has been said earlier, that does open up the possibility of someone modifying their slider somehow to perform better.

I only threw stolen into my post because I'm sure there are a few "permanently borrowed" sliders sitting on people's shelves and what not over the years.

As for an even playing field and personally modified sliders? I don't see this being a huge issue if a few do it prior to GenCon/WYC/GHC. So what if 10-20 people roll consistent 20s? 8000+ aren't. Statistically it doesn't effect the overall data averages. I really don't see a lot of people breaking out a combat board made from TD specs and practicing at home.

I can say I don't really care about sliders. It's one less thing I'd have to carry around with me at a Con. My pockets and bags are heavy as is.

Ro-gan wrote: Here's what I don't get:

So what if people practice at home with homemade or bought or stolen sliders and start sliding 20s during the Cons!?m. Seriously...

How does this really matter!? TD does not have a database system for most 20s/most hits-misses/most damage (which would be my Dwarf with 124 in one hit - ). We do know there are certain DMs out there that get off on getting TPKs no matter what, but this should in no way bear upon personal sliders.

I don't think established teams would care if monsters go down hard within 1-2 rounds. I'm thinking practicing at home with personal sliders would only effect PUGs.

Point made exactly.... even if some do not get it. It does not matter, baseball bat practicing... sliding... many people already have sliders and boards at home.... no lack of practice there! Does it make a difference... nope.

Kaledor wrote:

Ro-gan wrote: Here's what I don't get:

So what if people practice at home with homemade or bought or stolen sliders and start sliding 20s during the Cons!?m. Seriously...

How does this really matter!? TD does not have a database system for most 20s/most hits-misses/most damage (which would be my Dwarf with 124 in one hit - ). We do know there are certain DMs out there that get off on getting TPKs no matter what, but this should in no way bear upon personal sliders.

I don't think established teams would care if monsters go down hard within 1-2 rounds. I'm thinking practicing at home with personal sliders would only effect PUGs.

Point made exactly.... even if some do not get it. It does not matter, baseball bat practicing... sliding... many people already have sliders and boards at home.... no lack of practice there! Does it make a difference... nope.

You are failing to understand that practice does make a difference. Whether we should care about that difference is the debatable part. I would agree that I don't think it does matter, but your and my opinion s don't matter ultimately as Jeff gets to make that call.

jedibcg wrote: I could have sworn there wss a post by Druegar or Jeff about not using proxies, but I cannot find it...yet.

You're not wrong, there was a post from Jeff a few years ago which said proxies were not allowed. It's possible it was on the old forums and didn't get carried over because I couldn't find it either.

I have some expensive transmuted tokens as well so I can empathize with people not wanting to slide them, but if a full party has all proxies that's easily 10-14 tokens to verify, and if someone did want to cheat it wouldn't take much to modify the damage wheel and give yourself a little bump.

That being said I only can recall 1 group that had 2 players using them, and after I told them they weren't allowed they got the real ones and slid them. I can recall several times last year when I had to do that, so maybe less people used them this year, I wasn't as observant as usual, or some of the proxies are really convincing.

I like to think the first option is true, and the second is just in my head, but that third option is the only one that really bothers me.

Stoner wrote:

jedibcg wrote: I could have sworn there wss a post by Druegar or Jeff about not using proxies, but I cannot find it...yet.

You're not wrong, there was a post from Jeff a few years ago which said proxies were not allowed. It's possible it was on the old forums and didn't get carried over because I couldn't find it either.

I have some expensive transmuted tokens as well so I can empathize with people not wanting to slide them, but if a full party has all proxies that's easily 10-14 tokens to verify, and if someone did want to cheat it wouldn't take much to modify the damage wheel and give yourself a little bump.

That being said I only can recall 1 group that had 2 players using them, and after I told them they weren't allowed they got the real ones and slid them. I can recall several times last year when I had to do that, so maybe less people used them this year, I wasn't as observant as usual, or some of the proxies are really convincing.

I like to think the first option is true, and the second is just in my head, but that third option is the only one that really bothers me.

I could not find the post either. I do not remember Jeff coming out and saying no to proxies. I have searched the forums too and no luck.

jedibcg wrote:

Kaledor wrote:

Ro-gan wrote: Here's what I don't get:

So what if people practice at home with homemade or bought or stolen sliders and start sliding 20s during the Cons!?m. Seriously...

How does this really matter!? TD does not have a database system for most 20s/most hits-misses/most damage (which would be my Dwarf with 124 in one hit - ). We do know there are certain DMs out there that get off on getting TPKs no matter what, but this should in no way bear upon personal sliders.

I don't think established teams would care if monsters go down hard within 1-2 rounds. I'm thinking practicing at home with personal sliders would only effect PUGs.

Point made exactly.... even if some do not get it. It does not matter, baseball bat practicing... sliding... many people already have sliders and boards at home.... no lack of practice there! Does it make a difference... nope.

You are failing to understand that practice does make a difference. Whether we should care about that difference is the debatable part. I would agree that I don't think it does matter, but your and my opinion s don't matter ultimately as Jeff gets to make that call.

Not failing to understand at all. I think you are failing to understand for TD it does not make a difference. As the boards are different, if they were able to practice on the actual boards then I would agree it would make a difference. But you are right it is just our opinions and up to Jeff to make the call.

I dunno if it's stealing or just being clueless, but every year there are always a couple sliders that grow legs and walk away. We are usually able to get them in the next room or two. People just sometime pick them up to use again later.