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FINAL Notes about 2019 Tokens 1 year 1 week ago #97

Matt Goodman wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote: 2019 Ultra Rare Notes

Shaman’s Belt (Druid & Wizards) – This token’s full effects won’t fit on the token, so additional info can be found on tokendb.com. The token text reads: Lose 1st level Spell to polymorph into Elemental

Additional Info: The druid can choose one form per room and gain these abilities:

Fire Elemental: Gain -5 Fire resistance and Fire damage subtype
Frost Elemental: Gain -5 Cold resistance and Cold damage subtype
Air Elemental: Gain -5 Shock resistance and Shock damage subtype
Earth Elemental: Gain -5 Sonic resistance and Fire damage subtype

This UR does not grant any special polymorph abilities – like being able to cast spells or transform as a Free Action.



Relic Notes

Greater Shaman’s Necklace (Druid) – This token’s full effects won’t fit on the token, so additional info can be found on tokendb.com. The token text reads: Polymorph into Elemental is Free Action

Additional Info:

This token allows the Druid to change into an elemental instantly as a free action without using a 1st level Spell, but it does not confer the ability to cast Spells in elemental form.

The druid can choose one form per room and gain these abilities:

Fire Elemental: Gain -10 Fire resistance and Fire damage subtype
Frost Elemental: Gain -10Cold resistance and Cold damage subtype
Air Elemental: Gain -10 Shock resistance and Shock damage subtype
Earth Elemental: Gain -10 Sonic resistance and Fire damage subtype



Legendary Notes

The design concept around the legendary tokens is to combine class-oriented tokens to one sweet legendary class specific token.

Iktomi’s Shaper's Necklace (Druid) – This token’s full effects won’t fit on the token, so additional info can be found on tokendb.com. The token text reads: Polymorph into Elemental as Free Action (w/Spells)

This token allows the Druid to change into an elemental instantly as a free action without using a 1st level Spell, and it does confer the ability to cast Spells in elemental form.

The druid can choose one form per room and gain these abilities:

Fire Elemental: Gain -10 Fire resistance and Fire damage subtype
Frost Elemental: Gain -10 Cold resistance and Cold damage subtype
Air Elemental: Gain -10 Shock resistance and Shock damage subtype
Earth Elemental: Gain -10 Sonic resistance and Fire damage subtype

May use any Polymorph Potion as above with all restrictions lifted (free action & Spells), and when they do so they do not have to turn in the token.


I didn't see this answered directly, so I would like clarification.

Can you polymorph multiple times in the same room? From the text, it implies that you choose one form per room, but doesn't state how many times you can actually polymorph.

E.g., UR Belt (typically won't happen):
Rd 1: Lose a spell to polymorph (action)
Rd 2: slide
Rd 3: free action to un-polymorph, action to drink a healing potion
Rd 4: lose a spell to polymorph

E.g., Relic Necklace (definitely could happen):
Rd 1: Free action to polymorph, action to slide attack
Rd 2: Free action to un-polymorph, action to drink a healing potion
Rd 3: Free action to polymorph, action to slide attack

Clarification please?


Polymorphing with the UR is also a Free Action, it doesn't take an action.

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FINAL Notes about 2019 Tokens 1 year 1 week ago #98

Thanks! Original post updated. Basically this for any of them:

Rd 1: polymorph and slide attack
Rd 2: un-polymorph and drink potion
Rd 3: polymorph and slide attack

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FINAL Notes about 2019 Tokens 1 year 1 week ago #99

Matt Goodman wrote: Thanks! Original post updated. Basically this for any of them:

Rd 1: polymorph and slide attack
Rd 2: un-polymorph and drink potion
Rd 3: polymorph and slide attack


I think looking at the legendary can give us a clue. Since spell-casting is built into the Legendary, I'm leaning towards your scenario being not-allowed.

Otherwise, You could:

Rd 1: polymorph and slide attack
Rd 2: un-polymorph and cast spell
Rd 3: polymorph and slide attack

That ability seems like it's explicitly set aside for the Legendary.

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FINAL Notes about 2019 Tokens 1 year 1 week ago #100

Arnold wrote:

Matt Goodman wrote: Thanks! Original post updated. Basically this for any of them:

Rd 1: polymorph and slide attack
Rd 2: un-polymorph and drink potion
Rd 3: polymorph and slide attack


I think looking at the legendary can give us a clue. Since spell-casting is built into the Legendary, I'm leaning towards your scenario being not-allowed.

Otherwise, You could:

Rd 1: polymorph and slide attack
Rd 2: un-polymorph and cast spell
Rd 3: polymorph and slide attack

That ability seems like it's explicitly set aside for the Legendary.


Has it ever been determined whether un-polymorphing takes an action, a free action, or is just instantaneous?

Tokendb.com on one of the potions says " The effect lasts until the end of the room or until ended by the player–whichever comes first." which doesn't really clear that up.

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FINAL Notes about 2019 Tokens 1 year 1 week ago #101

Mike Steele wrote:

Arnold wrote:

Matt Goodman wrote: Thanks! Original post updated. Basically this for any of them:

Rd 1: polymorph and slide attack
Rd 2: un-polymorph and drink potion
Rd 3: polymorph and slide attack


I think looking at the legendary can give us a clue. Since spell-casting is built into the Legendary, I'm leaning towards your scenario being not-allowed.

Otherwise, You could:

Rd 1: polymorph and slide attack
Rd 2: un-polymorph and cast spell
Rd 3: polymorph and slide attack

That ability seems like it's explicitly set aside for the Legendary.


Has it ever been determined whether un-polymorphing takes an action, a free action, or is just instantaneous?

Tokendb.com on one of the potions says " The effect lasts until the end of the room or until ended by the player–whichever comes first." which doesn't really clear that up.


From potion polymorph asp:
The transformation from human(oid) to asp, or vice versa, is instantaneous. However, since drinking a potion requires a Standard Action, unless the character can drink this potion as a Free Action, the character may not attack the same round this potion is consumed.

And from coronet of arch-druid:
The transformation from human(oid) to dire bear, or vice versa, is instantaneous. The druid may attack the same round the transformation occurred, assuming the druid has not used up his/her Standard Action for that round.

So, it doesnt even use up your free action to turn back to human.
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FINAL Notes about 2019 Tokens 1 year 1 week ago #102

While all of their damage wheel's are explicitly worse, it is neat that the legendary druid necklace takes all polymorph potions and makes them non consumable.... because sharks and gremlins need love too.

Perhaps in a few years when its the wizards' turn scrolls and wands will not be consumable for them?

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FINAL Notes about 2019 Tokens 1 year 1 week ago #103

kurtreznor wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Arnold wrote:

Matt Goodman wrote: Thanks! Original post updated. Basically this for any of them:

Rd 1: polymorph and slide attack
Rd 2: un-polymorph and drink potion
Rd 3: polymorph and slide attack


I think looking at the legendary can give us a clue. Since spell-casting is built into the Legendary, I'm leaning towards your scenario being not-allowed.

Otherwise, You could:

Rd 1: polymorph and slide attack
Rd 2: un-polymorph and cast spell
Rd 3: polymorph and slide attack

That ability seems like it's explicitly set aside for the Legendary.


Has it ever been determined whether un-polymorphing takes an action, a free action, or is just instantaneous?

Tokendb.com on one of the potions says " The effect lasts until the end of the room or until ended by the player–whichever comes first." which doesn't really clear that up.


From potion polymorph asp:
The transformation from human(oid) to asp, or vice versa, is instantaneous. However, since drinking a potion requires a Standard Action, unless the character can drink this potion as a Free Action, the character may not attack the same round this potion is consumed.

And from coronet of arch-druid:
The transformation from human(oid) to dire bear, or vice versa, is instantaneous. The druid may attack the same round the transformation occurred, assuming the druid has not used up his/her Standard Action for that round.

So, it doesnt even use up your free action to turn back to human.


Nice! It doesn't seem broken at all, because it costs a first level spell every time you polymorph.

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FINAL Notes about 2019 Tokens 1 year 1 week ago #104

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FINAL Notes about 2019 Tokens 1 year 1 week ago #105

Mike Steele wrote: Maybe it should have said first or higher level spell, for a bit more flexibility?


Five free polymorphs per Dungeon isn’t enough? There’s nothing stopping you from drinking a poly potion if you want.

I’m thinking that if you want flexibility, there’s still a use for Shirt of the Fae.

Maybe it should have said second level spell.
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FINAL Notes about 2019 Tokens 1 year 1 week ago #106

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Maybe it should have said first or higher level spell, for a bit more flexibility?


Five free polymorphs per Dungeon isn’t enough? There’s nothing stopping you from drinking a poly potion if you want.

Maybe it should have said second level spell.


I don't really understand the hostility. If someone wanted to sacrifice a second level spell, that's a bigger sacrifice than a first. But maybe you have a combat or healing oriented Druid, who would rather sacrifice the second level damage spell (for instance) than a first level healing spell.

Personally, I wouldn't unpolymorph to drink a potion if it meant sacrificing a second level spell to re-polymorph.

It's not like I asked for it to be 0 or 1 level spells.

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FINAL Notes about 2019 Tokens 1 year 1 week ago #107

Mike Steele wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Maybe it should have said first or higher level spell, for a bit more flexibility?


Five free polymorphs per Dungeon isn’t enough? There’s nothing stopping you from drinking a poly potion if you want.

Maybe it should have said second level spell.


I don't really understand the hostility. If someone wanted to sacrifice a second level spell, that's a bigger sacrifice than a first. But maybe you have a combat or healing oriented Druid, who would rather sacrifice the second level damage spell (for instance) than a first level healing spell.

Personally, I wouldn't unpolymorph to drink a potion if it meant sacrificing a second level spell to re-polymorph.

It's not like I asked for it to be 0 or 1 level spells.


Sorry, didn’t mean to sound hostile.

The new normal seems to be three or four combat rooms per dungeon. That’s why five seems plenty to me, so you have at least one extra. Even so, Shirt is still helpful

It’s not like what I say matters. They already went to the printer.
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FINAL Notes about 2019 Tokens 1 year 1 week ago #108

Mike Steele wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Arnold wrote:

Matt Goodman wrote: Thanks! Original post updated. Basically this for any of them:

Rd 1: polymorph and slide attack
Rd 2: un-polymorph and drink potion
Rd 3: polymorph and slide attack


I think looking at the legendary can give us a clue. Since spell-casting is built into the Legendary, I'm leaning towards your scenario being not-allowed.

Otherwise, You could:

Rd 1: polymorph and slide attack
Rd 2: un-polymorph and cast spell
Rd 3: polymorph and slide attack

That ability seems like it's explicitly set aside for the Legendary.


Has it ever been determined whether un-polymorphing takes an action, a free action, or is just instantaneous?

Tokendb.com on one of the potions says " The effect lasts until the end of the room or until ended by the player–whichever comes first." which doesn't really clear that up.


From potion polymorph asp:
The transformation from human(oid) to asp, or vice versa, is instantaneous. However, since drinking a potion requires a Standard Action, unless the character can drink this potion as a Free Action, the character may not attack the same round this potion is consumed.

And from coronet of arch-druid:
The transformation from human(oid) to dire bear, or vice versa, is instantaneous. The druid may attack the same round the transformation occurred, assuming the druid has not used up his/her Standard Action for that round.

So, it doesnt even use up your free action to turn back to human.


Nice! It doesn't seem broken at all, because it costs a first level spell every time you polymorph.


It is still my assumption that you can only use the Belt / Necklace once per room. Otherwise, the only thing that differentiates the relic from the legendary is 1.5 damage on the wheel and the potion bit.

Jeff has definitely stated that spell-casting is linked to the Legendary necklace.

If you were allowed to use each necklace multiple times, the relic would already allow casting spells with the change-change-back method..

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