TOPIC: 2019 Transmuted Token Images !!

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Arnold wrote: How are high level players getting Free Movement?

I wish folks weren't lobbying to strip it from from the bead.

If you think it's not thematic, I'll just point to the Defender Set. Heavy Armor with free movement, go figure.

Then again, what's thematic about a bead giving you saves?

I haven't been lobbying for free movement because I've been assuming it will stay. It is something I like about this token.

High level players get free movement from:

1. Pantaloons of the Deeperdark/Underdark.
2. Defender set.
3. Boots of the Marauder.

#1 and #3 are under serious slot pressure, so I imagine the number of people with free movement at top end of Normal and Hardcore probably exceeds people with it at Nightmare.

Personally my group who is somewhere between too good for hardcore and too bad for nightmare, use all 3 listed above to grant free movement depending on the build.

I'm okay with printing a new token with Free Movement, but in the bead slot not so much. For the top of the line builds I'm guessing they either are running Pantaloons of the Deeperdark for free movement or a Kilt and are not running free movement. Now they will want to use the Eldritch Kilt for sure in most cases. Putting the Free Movement on a bead, that makes it best in class gives a no brainier for high end builds. No brainier for all builds really. We've talk a lot over the years about creating choices and interesting decisions on which token to use. This token (in this slot) goes against that.

The point is, people who want the HP don’t have to fix anything. They’re undeniably better off with the Eldritch. Change pants and done.

I appreciate everyone’s well-meaning attempts to help me fix it. Thank you, really, but I’ll fix it myself.

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Xavon wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Xavon wrote: The more I think about it, the more I like my middle suggestion. Want to reword it:

Kilt of Dungeonbane
Choose one at start:
+4 STR, +2 DEX, +2 CON
OR
+2 STR, +4 DEX, +2 CON
OR
+2 STR, +2 DEX, +4 CON

I would also be satisfied with

Kilt of Dungeonbane
Choose one at start:
+4 STR, +1 DEX, +1 CON
OR
+1 STR, +4 DEX, +1 CON
OR
+1 STR, +1 DEX, +4 CON

The reason I like these is because they fit the theme of the kilts; choose one stat to boost and get side-effects on the other two. Only at the Eldritch level, the boost is a bit smaller, and the side effect is a lesser positive instead of a negative.

And none of that helps me either

I know. 5 would get you closer but you want the 6. But I don't think that's on the table.

Out of curiosity, what do you use for the other 3 DEX you need beyond the Fatherbane Kilt?

I’m personally using boots of the Marauder and the rod segment 6 in every build.

Rod, Bracers of Fast Fitness.

I can make up the rest. I can replace an Ioun Stone, or Neck (which kill my Charm Necklace and Charming tokens) or whatever. That’s not the point.

+4 con/+5 hp gives wizards everything they want out of the Kilt, plus 4 bonus DEX. And they don’t have to make any changes to get there.

At best, I jump through hoops to tread water. The extra HP are nice but don’t make up for it.

I realize I created this problem myself. If i hadn’t made Thor’s I wouldn’t care so much, and if I played literally any class OTHER than Cleric those two DEX wouldn’t be worth getting all angsty about.

I tried arguing against the 20 DEX min last year, but the Kilt made it doable so I gave up. I’d have started screaming then if I’d known this was where it was going.

I should just shut up about it and switch classes.

Luckily I’m done making legendaries for awhile so I’m unlikely to paint myself into a similar corner anytime soon.

I boxed myself in a bit as well by making Thor's. I might have been better off going for Welfor's. But the cool factor got me. But there's no way I could make it work as a Cleric.

I was guessing that the Kilt would turn out something like +2/+2/+2, Free Movement and Eldritch. Boy was I wrong. (Before you get the flamethrowers out, I'm not advocating for that now)

Brad Mortensen wrote: The point is, people who want the HP don’t have to fix anything. They’re undeniably better off with the Eldritch. Change pants and done.

I appreciate everyone’s well-meaning attempts to help me fix it. Thank you, really, but I’ll fix it myself.

The bigger point is it would be nice if you didn't have to. You are certainly not the only cleric out there trying to make this work.

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Xavon wrote: When you say Rod, I assume you mean the completed one. Are you also using a separate part 6?

You can’t stack completed rod with segments

Darn, forgot that...

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote: The point is, people who want the HP don’t have to fix anything. They’re undeniably better off with the Eldritch. Change pants and done.

I appreciate everyone’s well-meaning attempts to help me fix it. Thank you, really, but I’ll fix it myself.

The bigger point is it would be nice if you didn't have to. You are certainly not the only cleric out there trying to make this work.

Just bump the Kilt to +5 St or +6 Dx or +6 Con and it's all good.

Mike Steele wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote: The point is, people who want the HP don’t have to fix anything. They’re undeniably better off with the Eldritch. Change pants and done.

I appreciate everyone’s well-meaning attempts to help me fix it. Thank you, really, but I’ll fix it myself.

The bigger point is it would be nice if you didn't have to. You are certainly not the only cleric out there trying to make this work.

Just bump the Kilt to +5 St or +6 Dx or +6 Con and it's all good.

Maybe fix the Thor's problem instead of tying ourselves in knots on the Kilt.

Jeff Martin wrote: Here are the very cool new Transmuted tokens. I think we have a good set here. What are your thoughts? Thanks!


Bead of the Lucky Traveler - for the 4-year story arc Participation token.

In the previous thread Jeff mention the Bead was 4-year story arc Participation token do we know whether it will use monster parts or completion tokens or both?

Also as such either, my guess is we won't be able to make it until after next GENCON (like with Icecrag)...that sound about right?

Harlax wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote: The point is, people who want the HP don’t have to fix anything. They’re undeniably better off with the Eldritch. Change pants and done.

I appreciate everyone’s well-meaning attempts to help me fix it. Thank you, really, but I’ll fix it myself.

The bigger point is it would be nice if you didn't have to. You are certainly not the only cleric out there trying to make this work.

Just bump the Kilt to +5 St or +6 Dx or +6 Con and it's all good.

Maybe fix the Thor's problem instead of tying ourselves in knots on the Kilt.

Except the Hammer is already printed, and the kilt isn't.

Xavon wrote:

Harlax wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote: The point is, people who want the HP don’t have to fix anything. They’re undeniably better off with the Eldritch. Change pants and done.

I appreciate everyone’s well-meaning attempts to help me fix it. Thank you, really, but I’ll fix it myself.

The bigger point is it would be nice if you didn't have to. You are certainly not the only cleric out there trying to make this work.

Just bump the Kilt to +5 St or +6 Dx or +6 Con and it's all good.

Maybe fix the Thor's problem instead of tying ourselves in knots on the Kilt.

Except the Hammer is already printed, and the kilt isn't.

You don't errata the Hammer, you errata the Cleric. Just errata the Cleric to "May ignore stat requirements on hammers". Done.

I know we're trying to avoid a penalty on the Kilt transmute, but would the following work:

Pick from +6/+6/+6 but take -1 to melee and ranged damage. (Or -1 to melee and ranged to-hit)

Fiddy wrote: You don't errata the Hammer, you errata the Cleric. Just errata the Cleric to "May ignore stat requirements on hammers". Done.

If that was the answer, I wouldn’t care WHAT the Kilt did. I wouldn’t even complain if it went to +0s, “enjoy your ineffectual Eldritch item.” I’m sure others would...