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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 11 months 3 weeks ago #109

Harlax wrote: I have +2 right now from a volunteer IS.

But since you ask

IS Amethyst Ovid
IS Tanzanite Cube
IS Charming Cabachon (with 5 charms equipped)
IS Onyx Cube
IS quicksilver Cube
IS Garnet Cube
IS Silver Nugget


One of those will have to go to make room for this years Nugget. Probably the Tanzanite Cube. Eventually Amerhyst Ovid be replaced by the final Nugget once we have put paid to the Mind Slayer.



To each their own, but I think +3 to saves and free movement (or even +2 to saves and free movement) is miles better than +2 dex or +2 con, or +5 hp (unless you are getting your level bump from the charming set).

Can you imagine the outcry if the 4 year transmute was proposed as +2 to dex? +2 to con?

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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 11 months 3 weeks ago #110

Bob Chasan wrote: Thanks for the change to the kilt, it now makes it much more useful and worthwhile. I think going backwards on lucky token misses the mark. There are quite a few rare tokens which offer +2 to saves.
It’s cool looking but not sure it’s going to be worth transmuting all the ingredients.

Just my 2 cents


Seems like a quality UR+ bead slot item to me. I wouldnt be surpised to eventually see a bead UR with +2 saves...this will still be better. If you take it back up to +3 saves, then it will either be incredibly overpowered for the bead slot OR you are setting bead up to be a very powerful slot, which is not needed.
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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 11 months 3 weeks ago #111

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Harlax wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Picc wrote:

Harlax wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Starkhound (Edwin) wrote:

Joshua Long wrote:

Boilerplate wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Bob Chasan wrote: I think going backwards on lucky token misses the mark. There are quite a few rare tokens which offer +2 to saves.
It’s cool looking but not sure it’s going to be worth transmuting all the ingredients.


Agree. For other data points, there are URs that give +2 saves plus a significant bonus, a UR that gives +3 to saves, and a Relic that does +4 to saves. +3 to saves and free action is probably about right at the Relic level.


+1

For a five star relic requiring 4 years of bits, I’d like to see it a notch better than the +2 save tokens at lower rarities. +3 seemed right to me.


+1


+1 more seems logical


I'll say I was super excited about it at +3.

At +2 I'm like... eeh - I'll still make it and use it. But something about that extra +1...

It is a relic - albeit in a new slot.

If it's too good for the bead slot maybe make it an Ioun?

Saves and free movement are both Ioun effects, and a +3 to saves & free movement seems just about right for an Ioun given UR Ioun Stone Topaz Trilliant is a UR.


No. Just No. I'd rather leave as is than move it to IS.


Agreed, the iounstone slot is already very crowded and only getting more so with the nugget series. The only way I could see the story line relic moving there would be if it also say granted psychic so as to replace a commonly equipped stone.

Actually now that I say it I'm surprised that the relic for the storyline were chased a mindslayer stealing psychic teeth doesn't grant psychic or at least have more of a tenticle theme to the image. The icecrags cold resist & dracolich claw were both way more on theme.

Maybe we could add enables psychic since that power isn't actually that big without the teeth to power it anyway.


You both seem to be betting that your 5th (or 7th) best ioun will be better than your best bead over the long term in thinking of where to slot this.

That’s not a bet I would take.

This token seems to me more likely to stay relevant and/or not hinder future design in the ioun slot.


7th in my case. I'm fine with that bet. I have to make room for two more nuggets. You are telling me that +2 saves is going to bump out +2 Treasure? You first on that one.



What 7 ions are you equipping that are better than +3 to saves and free action????


The current Bead is only +2


Agreed - the proposal was to move it to ioun and back to +3 and free movement.

As it’s a relic, and there are already UR Iouns with +2 to saves and another bonus, and both saves and free movement are well established ioun abilities.


That bein said, what 7 Iouns are you equipping that are better than +2 to saves and free action????


There is no current IS that grants free movement. How is that "well established ioun abilities"?
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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 11 months 3 weeks ago #112

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Harlax wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Picc wrote:

Harlax wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Starkhound (Edwin) wrote:

Joshua Long wrote:

Boilerplate wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Bob Chasan wrote: I think going backwards on lucky token misses the mark. There are quite a few rare tokens which offer +2 to saves.
It’s cool looking but not sure it’s going to be worth transmuting all the ingredients.


Agree. For other data points, there are URs that give +2 saves plus a significant bonus, a UR that gives +3 to saves, and a Relic that does +4 to saves. +3 to saves and free action is probably about right at the Relic level.


+1

For a five star relic requiring 4 years of bits, I’d like to see it a notch better than the +2 save tokens at lower rarities. +3 seemed right to me.


+1


+1 more seems logical


I'll say I was super excited about it at +3.

At +2 I'm like... eeh - I'll still make it and use it. But something about that extra +1...

It is a relic - albeit in a new slot.

If it's too good for the bead slot maybe make it an Ioun?

Saves and free movement are both Ioun effects, and a +3 to saves & free movement seems just about right for an Ioun given UR Ioun Stone Topaz Trilliant is a UR.


No. Just No. I'd rather leave as is than move it to IS.


Agreed, the iounstone slot is already very crowded and only getting more so with the nugget series. The only way I could see the story line relic moving there would be if it also say granted psychic so as to replace a commonly equipped stone.

Actually now that I say it I'm surprised that the relic for the storyline were chased a mindslayer stealing psychic teeth doesn't grant psychic or at least have more of a tenticle theme to the image. The icecrags cold resist & dracolich claw were both way more on theme.

Maybe we could add enables psychic since that power isn't actually that big without the teeth to power it anyway.


You both seem to be betting that your 5th (or 7th) best ioun will be better than your best bead over the long term in thinking of where to slot this.

That’s not a bet I would take.

This token seems to me more likely to stay relevant and/or not hinder future design in the ioun slot.


7th in my case. I'm fine with that bet. I have to make room for two more nuggets. You are telling me that +2 saves is going to bump out +2 Treasure? You first on that one.


Seven Stones? How about:

Three nuggets (come 2021)
Four UR Vol IS (one of which is +2 saves)
Lots of utility options (Charming, Rare Vol Stones...)

A +2-save IS is arguably already irrelevant for many builds, or is promised to be within two years.



How are saves irrelevant, or promised to be irrelevant?

Typical save dcs on hc, nm have been 15 and 20. They are higher on epic.

It’s not universal that +2 dex or +2 con is more desirable than +2 to saves and free movement. In fact, I suspect if a poll were taken more would want the saves than the stats.

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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 11 months 3 weeks ago #113

Harlax wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Harlax wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Picc wrote:

Harlax wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Starkhound (Edwin) wrote:

Joshua Long wrote:

Boilerplate wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Bob Chasan wrote: I think going backwards on lucky token misses the mark. There are quite a few rare tokens which offer +2 to saves.
It’s cool looking but not sure it’s going to be worth transmuting all the ingredients.


Agree. For other data points, there are URs that give +2 saves plus a significant bonus, a UR that gives +3 to saves, and a Relic that does +4 to saves. +3 to saves and free action is probably about right at the Relic level.


+1

For a five star relic requiring 4 years of bits, I’d like to see it a notch better than the +2 save tokens at lower rarities. +3 seemed right to me.


+1


+1 more seems logical


I'll say I was super excited about it at +3.

At +2 I'm like... eeh - I'll still make it and use it. But something about that extra +1...

It is a relic - albeit in a new slot.

If it's too good for the bead slot maybe make it an Ioun?

Saves and free movement are both Ioun effects, and a +3 to saves & free movement seems just about right for an Ioun given UR Ioun Stone Topaz Trilliant is a UR.


No. Just No. I'd rather leave as is than move it to IS.


Agreed, the iounstone slot is already very crowded and only getting more so with the nugget series. The only way I could see the story line relic moving there would be if it also say granted psychic so as to replace a commonly equipped stone.

Actually now that I say it I'm surprised that the relic for the storyline were chased a mindslayer stealing psychic teeth doesn't grant psychic or at least have more of a tenticle theme to the image. The icecrags cold resist & dracolich claw were both way more on theme.

Maybe we could add enables psychic since that power isn't actually that big without the teeth to power it anyway.


You both seem to be betting that your 5th (or 7th) best ioun will be better than your best bead over the long term in thinking of where to slot this.

That’s not a bet I would take.

This token seems to me more likely to stay relevant and/or not hinder future design in the ioun slot.


7th in my case. I'm fine with that bet. I have to make room for two more nuggets. You are telling me that +2 saves is going to bump out +2 Treasure? You first on that one.



What 7 ions are you equipping that are better than +3 to saves and free action????


The current Bead is only +2


Agreed - the proposal was to move it to ioun and back to +3 and free movement.

As it’s a relic, and there are already UR Iouns with +2 to saves and another bonus, and both saves and free movement are well established ioun abilities.


That bein said, what 7 Iouns are you equipping that are better than +2 to saves and free action????


There is no current IS that grants free movement. How is that "well established ioun abilities"?


There is a uc ioun that grants free movement while outdoors, in fact there may be another one getting printed this year (there was in the first batch of UCs).

Here are all the slots I can think of that currently grant free movement:

Boots
Torso/shield/head set bonus
Ioun
Pants

That’s it, right?

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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 11 months 3 weeks ago #114

We are going in circles at this point, so I'm getting off the merry go round.

But if you want a poll, try one on bead vs IS. That one is easy to predict.

It needs to stay a bead.
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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 11 months 3 weeks ago #115

Harlax wrote: We are going in circles at this point, so I'm getting off the merry go round.

It needs to stay a bead.


Ioun Stone. ;)
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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 11 months 3 weeks ago #116

Rob F wrote:

Harlax wrote: We are going in circles at this point, so I'm getting off the merry go round.

It needs to stay a bead.


Ioun Stone. ;)


Let’s explore all the options.

Cancel it altogether and have every relic require Fleece to soak up the bits.

Or leave it a +3 save Bead.
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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 11 months 3 weeks ago #117

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Matthew Hayward wrote: Here are all the slots I can think of that currently grant free movement:

Boots
Torso/shield/head set bonus
Ioun
Pants

That’s it, right?


There was also an amulet

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Harlax wrote: We are going in circles at this point, so I'm getting off the merry go round.

It needs to stay a bead.


Ioun Stone. ;)


Let’s explore all the options.

Cancel it altogether and have every relic require Fleece to soak up the bits.

Or leave it a +3 save Bead.


I vote bead (though I'm fine with +2 or +3 saves)
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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 11 months 3 weeks ago #118

Picc wrote: After much deliberation I think anything less then +6 on the kilt is going to feel like a downgrade to most people. I know logically it isn't, +5 no downside is better then +6 with one, but it doesn't feel that way and I think in this case the feeling is whats more important.

I'm even fine with waiting another year if we have to, as it is though most of my group is saying they'd rather keep their component kilts.


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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 11 months 3 weeks ago #119

Harlax wrote: We are going in circles at this point, so I'm getting off the merry go round.

But if you want a poll, try one on bead vs IS. That one is easy to predict.

It needs to stay a bead.


Making this an Ioun Stone is about as bad idea as it can get.

Keep it as a Bead, just make it +3 again.
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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 11 months 3 weeks ago #120

Definitely a Bead!
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