TOPIC: Notes about Tokens for 2019

Arnold wrote: I tried not to over-react to the new legendary slot. I've slept on it, and here are my thoughts:

I've invested hundreds into Charm Necklace and the Charming Set. On top of that, I've built around the these tokens for the last year. I invested in some pricey charms and picked up an onyx Bracer because I surely didn't need the Charm Bracelets.

Moving the Polymorph legendary to the neck slot is a total gut punch. I'm sure this is how my Rogue brothers and sisters felt when they laid eyes on the first draft of the legendary boots. I'm now looking at a rebuild and will likely abandon all of the Charming items.

I can see the angle I'd like to take in order to build back up, but it sucks to have to abandon my first real build. I love the Charming shenanigans and the possibilities those particular tokens allow. It felt unique because the neck slot is crowded and I was committing to Charms over other min/maxing.

I know that everyone (except those loquacious bards and stoic paladins) will have to make a similar decision. It just stings that so many other things keyed off of this one particular Neck token. The Bracelets are a substitute, sure - but let's just agree that it's not the same, and definitely not as good. Also, I love my Onyx Bracers.

I understand why the Neck slot is the best solution. I love Polymorphing more than any of the Charm Shenanigans, so it's not a difficult decision- just a lousy one.

There are no Charming set items that occupy the Neck (Charm Necklace doesn't count in the Charming set). You do not have to abandon the Charming set to use the Druid Legendary items.

Having said that we should give TPTB the benefit of the doubt and let's wait to see what other class legendaries they make for Neck slot. Besides they are very responsive to constructive feedback.

Don't start whipping the horse before it arrives.

Ed

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Ed

MasterED wrote:

Arnold wrote: I tried not to over-react to the new legendary slot. I've slept on it, and here are my thoughts:

I've invested hundreds into Charm Necklace and the Charming Set. On top of that, I've built around the these tokens for the last year. I invested in some pricey charms and picked up an onyx Bracer because I surely didn't need the Charm Bracelets.

Moving the Polymorph legendary to the neck slot is a total gut punch. I'm sure this is how my Rogue brothers and sisters felt when they laid eyes on the first draft of the legendary boots. I'm now looking at a rebuild and will likely abandon all of the Charming items.

I can see the angle I'd like to take in order to build back up, but it sucks to have to abandon my first real build. I love the Charming shenanigans and the possibilities those particular tokens allow. It felt unique because the neck slot is crowded and I was committing to Charms over other min/maxing.

I know that everyone (except those loquacious bards and stoic paladins) will have to make a similar decision. It just stings that so many other things keyed off of this one particular Neck token. The Bracelets are a substitute, sure - but let's just agree that it's not the same, and definitely not as good. Also, I love my Onyx Bracers.

I understand why the Neck slot is the best solution. I love Polymorphing more than any of the Charm Shenanigans, so it's not a difficult decision- just a lousy one.

There are no Charming set items that occupy the Neck (Charm Necklace doesn't count in the Charming set). You do not have to abandon the Charming set to use the Druid Legendary items.

Having said that we should give TPTB the benefit of the doubt and let's wait to see what other class legendaries they make for Neck slot. Besides they are very responsive to constructive feedback.

Don't start whipping the horse before it arrives.

Ed

Or beating it before it's dead.

Harlax wrote:

MasterED wrote:

Arnold wrote: I tried not to over-react to the new legendary slot. I've slept on it, and here are my thoughts:

I've invested hundreds into Charm Necklace and the Charming Set. On top of that, I've built around the these tokens for the last year. I invested in some pricey charms and picked up an onyx Bracer because I surely didn't need the Charm Bracelets.

Moving the Polymorph legendary to the neck slot is a total gut punch. I'm sure this is how my Rogue brothers and sisters felt when they laid eyes on the first draft of the legendary boots. I'm now looking at a rebuild and will likely abandon all of the Charming items.

I can see the angle I'd like to take in order to build back up, but it sucks to have to abandon my first real build. I love the Charming shenanigans and the possibilities those particular tokens allow. It felt unique because the neck slot is crowded and I was committing to Charms over other min/maxing.

I know that everyone (except those loquacious bards and stoic paladins) will have to make a similar decision. It just stings that so many other things keyed off of this one particular Neck token. The Bracelets are a substitute, sure - but let's just agree that it's not the same, and definitely not as good. Also, I love my Onyx Bracers.

I understand why the Neck slot is the best solution. I love Polymorphing more than any of the Charm Shenanigans, so it's not a difficult decision- just a lousy one.

There are no Charming set items that occupy the Neck (Charm Necklace doesn't count in the Charming set). You do not have to abandon the Charming set to use the Druid Legendary items.

Having said that we should give TPTB the benefit of the doubt and let's wait to see what other class legendaries they make for Neck slot. Besides they are very responsive to constructive feedback.

Don't start whipping the horse before it arrives.

Ed

Or beating it before it's dead.

Understood.

Ed - I think you know what I meant. I did take the time to point out the Bracelets are still an option. I just wanted to express my thoughts after having taken time to process them. I didn't post to whine - I did it to provide constructive feedback from my perspective.

I'm fine with the Neck solution. I think I know what I want to do with my build moving forward if everything stays the way it's been proposed.

That said - you are right and I will wait and see how things shape up.

I'm torn. I think the rogue item should stay a sapphire necklace because its a fitting tribute to our most iconic rogue. But I'm not sure if all classes going forward should have legendary necks. I think locking ourselves into that one slot going forward could be an issue. If it makes more sense to give another class another item I'd like us to have the freedom to do it.


Or if everything stays a necklace how about an UR slot swapper hat that allows a second necklace to be equipped like a headband XD

Picc wrote: I'm torn. I think the rogue item should stay a sapphire necklace because its a fitting tribute to our most iconic rogue. But I'm not sure if all classes going forward should have legendary necks. I think locking ourselves into that one slot going forward could be an issue. If it makes more sense to give another class another item I'd like us to have the freedom to do it.


Or if everything stays a necklace how about an UR slot swapper hat that allows a second necklace to be equipped like a headband XD

I think it's the best solution. Everyone can plan starting now. Otherwise, Jeff's gotta map out each class and then deal with the fallout from everyone that disagrees within each class.

This might seem counter-productive to my previous feedback, but I should be clear - I wasn't lobbying for a change. I was just providing my own perspective.

I'm very excited to go elemental on bosses.

Arnold wrote:

Picc wrote: I'm torn. I think the rogue item should stay a sapphire necklace because its a fitting tribute to our most iconic rogue. But I'm not sure if all classes going forward should have legendary necks. I think locking ourselves into that one slot going forward could be an issue. If it makes more sense to give another class another item I'd like us to have the freedom to do it.


Or if everything stays a necklace how about an UR slot swapper hat that allows a second necklace to be equipped like a headband XD

I think it's the best solution. Everyone can plan starting now. Otherwise, Jeff's gotta map out each class and then deal with the fallout from everyone that disagrees within each class.

This might seem counter-productive to my previous feedback, but I should be clear - I wasn't lobbying for a change. I was just providing my own perspective.

I'm very excited to go elemental on bosses.

I disagree the neck slot is one of the most powerful slots there is. I think doubling by giving up the much weaker head slot is too powerful.

jedibcg wrote:

Arnold wrote:

Picc wrote: I'm torn. I think the rogue item should stay a sapphire necklace because its a fitting tribute to our most iconic rogue. But I'm not sure if all classes going forward should have legendary necks. I think locking ourselves into that one slot going forward could be an issue. If it makes more sense to give another class another item I'd like us to have the freedom to do it.


Or if everything stays a necklace how about an UR slot swapper hat that allows a second necklace to be equipped like a headband XD

I think it's the best solution. Everyone can plan starting now. Otherwise, Jeff's gotta map out each class and then deal with the fallout from everyone that disagrees within each class.

This might seem counter-productive to my previous feedback, but I should be clear - I wasn't lobbying for a change. I was just providing my own perspective.

I'm very excited to go elemental on bosses.

I disagree the neck slot is one of the most powerful slots there is. I think doubling by giving up the much weaker head slot is too powerful.

I only meant that putting the legendaries at neck is the best solution. I didn't mean to say that I think we should have 2x neck slots. Thanks for correcting me, Jedi.

Arnold wrote:
I only meant that putting the legendaries at neck is the best solution. I didn't mean to say that I think we should have 2x neck slots. Thanks for correcting me, Jedi.

Sorry I misunderstood. I don't know that I agree all class specific should be legendary. Medallion of Mystic Mouth is my my grievance with that. I do own 3 but they are only to eventually make legendaries so it doesn't effect me too much.

Arnold wrote: I tried not to over-react to the new legendary slot. I've slept on it, and here are my thoughts:

I've invested hundreds into Charm Necklace and the Charming Set. On top of that, I've built around the these tokens for the last year. I invested in some pricey charms and picked up an onyx Bracer because I surely didn't need the Charm Bracelets.

Moving the Polymorph legendary to the neck slot is a total gut punch. I'm sure this is how my Rogue brothers and sisters felt when they laid eyes on the first draft of the legendary boots. I'm now looking at a rebuild and will likely abandon all of the Charming items.

I can see the angle I'd like to take in order to build back up, but it sucks to have to abandon my first real build. I love the Charming shenanigans and the possibilities those particular tokens allow. It felt unique because the neck slot is crowded and I was committing to Charms over other min/maxing.

I know that everyone (except those loquacious bards and stoic paladins) will have to make a similar decision. It just stings that so many other things keyed off of this one particular Neck token. The Bracelets are a substitute, sure - but let's just agree that it's not the same, and definitely not as good. Also, I love my Onyx Bracers.

I understand why the Neck slot is the best solution. I love Polymorphing more than any of the Charm Shenanigans, so it's not a difficult decision- just a lousy one.

This is a well thought out, reasonable response. Where did you learn how to write on the internet?

Seriously, I think using neck for everyone might not be the way to go. I like what the neck offers in terms of diversity.

Jeff Martin wrote: SPECIAL NOTE about Relics and Legendaries

Now that every class has at least a few generic legendary tokens, starting in 2019 we will be producing class specific ones. Every Relic and Legendary class specific token, barring some thematic exceptions will occupy the neck slot so as not to interfere with any previous Eldritch items. The two classes that will not be in the neck slot are the Bard and Paladin. This puts all the classes on a roughly even slot impact basis. I hope you like the new 2019 legendaries for the Bard, Druid, & Rogue! Next year we plan on Neck slot items for the Barbarian, Monk and Ranger -- while the +2 Holy Avenger (from 2019) can be transmuted up to a +5 Holy Avenger! We wanted to add the +2 Holy Avenger in this year -- since Paladins will be venturing into the Infernal Pit!

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So excited by this! The Holy Avenger is exactly the kind of class legendary I will dedicate myself to (see what I did there? Paladin dedicating themself to something).

Picc wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Kirk Bauer wrote:

Arnold wrote: I've invested hundreds into Charm Necklace and the Charming Set. On top of that, I've built around the these tokens for the last year. I invested in some pricey charms and picked up an onyx Bracer because I surely didn't need the Charm Bracelets.

Charm Necklace is getting tough to find anyways so was probably going to get a reprint in the next few years. Perhaps instead there is a new charm-expanding UR that uses a different slot?

A Charm slot that gives you extra charm slots...lol. Just kidding I just thought it was a funny thought.

Charming set fuses with infinity!

Reminds me of the old Fake Hand that Kingdom of Loathing made as a 'gag gift' a decade ago.