TOPIC: 2019 Rare Token Suggestions

Endgame wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

MetaphoricDragon wrote: It was brought up in the reprint thread, but I personally would love a + reflex save charm if we don't see something like Charm of Enlightenment reprinted.

I agree - I think a +4 Reflex and a +4 Fort save charm would round things out nicely for red build charm slots.

Agreed, though either a +4 will save or the charm of enlightenment should be reprinted so the whole set is available.

Crazy thought - could we have a 3 charm set?

Charm of lightning reflexes +4 ref
Charm of iron skin (+4 fort)
Charm of immutable will (+4 will)

Set (lucky charms)
Gain +1 all saves

I would caution against this. Not just the set bonus, but putting the other saves in the charm slot. The synergy with the save bonuses on the Charming Set pieces is probably a bit too good.

Beyond those using mostly reds, would people be willing to sacrifice 3 charm slots, a ring, an earcuff, and an ioun stone slot?

Depending on the class? Maybe. In Grind? More likely. Toss these on the Bard along with a Cloak of Blending.

Endgame wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

MetaphoricDragon wrote: It was brought up in the reprint thread, but I personally would love a + reflex save charm if we don't see something like Charm of Enlightenment reprinted.

I agree - I think a +4 Reflex and a +4 Fort save charm would round things out nicely for red build charm slots.

Agreed, though either a +4 will save or the charm of enlightenment should be reprinted so the whole set is available.

Crazy thought - could we have a 3 charm set?

Charm of lightning reflexes +4 ref
Charm of iron skin (+4 fort)
Charm of immutable will (+4 will)

Set (lucky charms)
Gain +1 all saves

I would caution against this. Not just the set bonus, but putting the other saves in the charm slot. The synergy with the save bonuses on the Charming Set pieces is probably a bit too good.

Beyond those using mostly reds, would people be willing to sacrifice 3 charm slots, a ring, an earcuff, and an ioun stone slot?

Using these might make saves so high at the hardcore/mm level that things would be rough to balance for.

I was initially for the +4 reflex and fort save charms. I think Fiddy just convinced me otherwise.

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

MetaphoricDragon wrote: It was brought up in the reprint thread, but I personally would love a + reflex save charm if we don't see something like Charm of Enlightenment reprinted.

I agree - I think a +4 Reflex and a +4 Fort save charm would round things out nicely for red build charm slots.

Agreed, though either a +4 will save or the charm of enlightenment should be reprinted so the whole set is available.

Crazy thought - could we have a 3 charm set?

Charm of lightning reflexes +4 ref
Charm of iron skin (+4 fort)
Charm of immutable will (+4 will)

Set (lucky charms)
Gain +1 all saves

I would caution against this. Not just the set bonus, but putting the other saves in the charm slot. The synergy with the save bonuses on the Charming Set pieces is probably a bit too good.

Beyond those using mostly reds, would people be willing to sacrifice 3 charm slots, a ring, an earcuff, and an ioun stone slot?

Using these might make saves so high at the hardcore/mm level that things would be rough to balance for.

I was initially for the +4 reflex and fort save charms. I think Fiddy just convinced me otherwise.

So +4 to a save would cause people to replace their charm of avarice / charm of heroism / charm of brooching (which can grant +6 saves).

I guess I was underestimating the value of saves.

Endgame wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

MetaphoricDragon wrote: It was brought up in the reprint thread, but I personally would love a + reflex save charm if we don't see something like Charm of Enlightenment reprinted.

I agree - I think a +4 Reflex and a +4 Fort save charm would round things out nicely for red build charm slots.

Agreed, though either a +4 will save or the charm of enlightenment should be reprinted so the whole set is available.

Crazy thought - could we have a 3 charm set?

Charm of lightning reflexes +4 ref
Charm of iron skin (+4 fort)
Charm of immutable will (+4 will)

Set (lucky charms)
Gain +1 all saves

I would caution against this. Not just the set bonus, but putting the other saves in the charm slot. The synergy with the save bonuses on the Charming Set pieces is probably a bit too good.

Beyond those using mostly reds, would people be willing to sacrifice 3 charm slots, a ring, an earcuff, and an ioun stone slot?

Using these might make saves so high at the hardcore/mm level that things would be rough to balance for.

I was initially for the +4 reflex and fort save charms. I think Fiddy just convinced me otherwise.

So +4 to a save would cause people to replace their charm of avarice / charm of heroism / charm of brooching (which can grant +6 saves).

I guess I was underestimating the value of saves.

I doubt it would replace those you mentioned, and they might not see play at the EPIC level, but I'm saying we have a tough enough time balancing the hardcore and NM levels now, and the difference between those on NM with a charming set , charm slot expander, and these and those who dont have them could be as much at +6 (from charming set) up to +10, per save.
It's tough to design a module in terms of difficulty with that wide of a gap.

Also. I dont think we cant print them, but I do think we need to be cautious and consider them.

If the charming set didn't grant 5th level, this would not be an issue to my mind.

We were (rightly imo) concerned about the charming set when it was printed and limited it to max +6.

When we design, we have to think about extreme cases, that's all.

Matthew Hayward wrote: Rare - Greaves of Luck - Shins - All (MS) (Treasure Only)

+1 to saves

I really like this one

Bob Chasan wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: Rare - Greaves of Luck - Shins - All (MS) (Treasure Only)

+1 to saves

I really like this one

Seconded

Matthew Hayward wrote: Rare - Ring of Pacifism - Finger - All (PS)

As long as you have taken no offensive action this dungeon, non-evil creatures can't target you with attacks.

This one seems too close to Cloak of Blending to me, and that was UR

Matthew Hayward wrote: Rare - Boomerang Charm - Charm - All

Thrown non-consumable weapons return to you on a miss.

I like the concept, but worry this just adds extra hassle to combat DMs

Picc wrote:

Bob Chasan wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: Rare - Greaves of Luck - Shins - All (MS) (Treasure Only)

+1 to saves

I really like this one

Seconded

I'd absolutely love a pair too, which makes me think they vastly outshine anything else in the shin slot at the moment

MetaphoricDragon wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: Rare - Ring of Pacifism - Finger - All (PS)

As long as you have taken no offensive action this dungeon, non-evil creatures can't target you with attacks.

This one seems too close to Cloak of Blending to me, and that was UR

Cloak of blending recharges each room - this doesn’t.

Also, a good chunk of the monsters we face are evil, so it does nothing there.

MetaphoricDragon wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: Rare - Ring of Pacifism - Finger - All (PS)

As long as you have taken no offensive action this dungeon, non-evil creatures can't target you with attacks.

This one seems too close to Cloak of Blending to me, and that was UR

Ring slot vs back, which means it may see more play
Non-evil means more role play elements, plus it could serve as a "free" detect evil in certain cases.

Compare to cloak of elvenkind.

tokendb.com/token/cloak-of-elvenkind/

EDIT: Ninja'd by Matt.
Also, all dungeon vs. just the room.

Matthew Hayward wrote:

MetaphoricDragon wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: Rare - Ring of Pacifism - Finger - All (PS)

As long as you have taken no offensive action this dungeon, non-evil creatures can't target you with attacks.

This one seems too close to Cloak of Blending to me, and that was UR

Cloak of blending recharges each room - this doesn’t.

Also, a good chunk of the monsters we face are evil, so it does nothing there.

Aah, I did for whatever reason thought it was evil, not vice versa so is less useful. Tracking through the dungeon is basically honor system, but I guess so are figurines and other things.