TOPIC: 2019 Rare Token Suggestions

Matthew Hayward wrote: Rare - Fine Troglodyte Cape - Back - All - (MS )

+3 to AC vs Melee
-1 to AC vs Ranged

This could also be a neck slot item:

Amulet of Ghast Breath

The downside could be -X CHA instead of -Ranged AC too.

A non-TD playing friend tossed me an idea that I found interesting enough to tweak and pass along.


+1 Whip of Tripping - Usable by all - [2,3,4,5] - on "20" causes bipedal non-flying target to become prone until next action


+1 Kidney Punch Dagger - Usable by all except Cleric and Paladin - [2,3,4,5] - Deals additional 5 damage to prone target

Rare - Merry Band of Oak - Finger - All (PS)

+3 damage with two handed ranged weapons

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

MetaphoricDragon wrote: It was brought up in the reprint thread, but I personally would love a + reflex save charm if we don't see something like Charm of Enlightenment reprinted.

I agree - I think a +4 Reflex and a +4 Fort save charm would round things out nicely for red build charm slots.

Agreed, though either a +4 will save or the charm of enlightenment should be reprinted so the whole set is available.

Crazy thought - could we have a 3 charm set?

Charm of lightning reflexes +4 ref
Charm of iron skin (+4 fort)
Charm of immutable will (+4 will)

Set (lucky charms)
Gain +1 all saves

I would caution against this. Not just the set bonus, but putting the other saves in the charm slot. The synergy with the save bonuses on the Charming Set pieces is probably a bit too good.

Beyond those using mostly reds, would people be willing to sacrifice 3 charm slots, a ring, an earcuff, and an ioun stone slot?

Using these might make saves so high at the hardcore/mm level that things would be rough to balance for.

I was initially for the +4 reflex and fort save charms. I think Fiddy just convinced me otherwise.

What if it was +4 to one save and -2 to another, kind of like the charm of sip quick? If you used all 3 charm spots you would net +2 to all saves.

Endgame wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

MetaphoricDragon wrote: It was brought up in the reprint thread, but I personally would love a + reflex save charm if we don't see something like Charm of Enlightenment reprinted.

I agree - I think a +4 Reflex and a +4 Fort save charm would round things out nicely for red build charm slots.

Agreed, though either a +4 will save or the charm of enlightenment should be reprinted so the whole set is available.

Crazy thought - could we have a 3 charm set?

Charm of lightning reflexes +4 ref
Charm of iron skin (+4 fort)
Charm of immutable will (+4 will)

Set (lucky charms)
Gain +1 all saves

I would caution against this. Not just the set bonus, but putting the other saves in the charm slot. The synergy with the save bonuses on the Charming Set pieces is probably a bit too good.

Beyond those using mostly reds, would people be willing to sacrifice 3 charm slots, a ring, an earcuff, and an ioun stone slot?

Using these might make saves so high at the hardcore/mm level that things would be rough to balance for.

I was initially for the +4 reflex and fort save charms. I think Fiddy just convinced me otherwise.

What if it was +4 to one save and -2 to another, kind of like the charm of sip quick? If you used all 3 charm spots you would net +2 to all saves.

I really don't think it's a problem to have a cycle of +4 save rare charms.

At high gearing levels people are doing other things with their charms (Avarice/Good Fortune, Brooching, Heroism, MeC, Cabal Set, Shadow Shot, Awakened Synergy/Synergy/Awareness, Greater Onyx Charm, and even Fiendish and Wicked charms are likely to be picked over a +4 to saves charm).

You're not going to see high geared players running 3 save charms, and for lower geared players it provides a nice stepping stone - as there aren't really 3 charms worth bothering to track down for your build at rare or lower right now.

I'd like to see reprints or homage copies of:

tokendb.com/token/scroll-false-image/
tokendb.com/token/scroll-missilebane/

It would be nice to get slightly less powerful versions of these that could target others, like:

Scroll False Reflection - The next melee attack that would hit against target gains 50% miss chance (can target anyone)
Scroll Tactical Withdrawl - Target immune to physical missile damage as long as they make only ranged attacks (can target anyone)

Endgame wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

MetaphoricDragon wrote: It was brought up in the reprint thread, but I personally would love a + reflex save charm if we don't see something like Charm of Enlightenment reprinted.

I agree - I think a +4 Reflex and a +4 Fort save charm would round things out nicely for red build charm slots.

Agreed, though either a +4 will save or the charm of enlightenment should be reprinted so the whole set is available.

Crazy thought - could we have a 3 charm set?

Charm of lightning reflexes +4 ref
Charm of iron skin (+4 fort)
Charm of immutable will (+4 will)

Set (lucky charms)
Gain +1 all saves

I would caution against this. Not just the set bonus, but putting the other saves in the charm slot. The synergy with the save bonuses on the Charming Set pieces is probably a bit too good.

Beyond those using mostly reds, would people be willing to sacrifice 3 charm slots, a ring, an earcuff, and an ioun stone slot?

Using these might make saves so high at the hardcore/mm level that things would be rough to balance for.

I was initially for the +4 reflex and fort save charms. I think Fiddy just convinced me otherwise.

What if it was +4 to one save and -2 to another, kind of like the charm of sip quick? If you used all 3 charm spots you would net +2 to all saves.

I like the way that matches out.

Suggestion

Dust of the planes: Turn in to automatically pass a planer skill check (wizard only).

It would be a time saver in NM where wizards normally dont bother with skill checks today. Mr DM, I cast [spell], hers is a dust so I auto pass my skill check, it does X damage.

I would suggest making it dust so as to not be stackable with existing damage dusts.

I would also love to see the wizard get more dusts as I think having something to turn in makes classic feel more interactive.

Not sure if I already said something like this, but:

Rare - Cloak of the Apprentice - Back - Wizards

+3 to AC and +1 to Saves


This could also be instead:

+2 to AC and +2 to Saves

Ioun stone nickel nugget

+1 treasure, as long as no other treasure enhancer is worn

Becomes part of the transmute set for the proposed charm of fair fortune

Robe of Enduring
(Torso, All)
+1 Con

Ring of Spell Enhancing
(Finger, Bard, Cleric, Druid & Wizards)
+1 damage & healing 0th level spells

The latter started out as a different idea, maybe moved down to uncommon as written.

Ian Lee wrote: Ring of Spell Enhancing
(Finger, Bard, Cleric, Druid & Wizards)
+1 damage & healing 0th level spells

I like the the idea, but it may be problematic for the party card and character builders