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Forar wrote: Wait a second... is this a one of a kind token?

Druegar wrote: your artifact .

Dave Autzen wrote: Maybe the new guaranteed 3 treasure tokens, with a bonus of 1 or 2 for actually solving puzzles/winning combats?

• People feeling short changed by a creative puzzle bypass not rewarding token.
• Losing tokens to a seemingly too powerful monster effect.
• New players having a blank treasure column.

Cavor wrote: I like the 3 token change, It solves:

• People feeling short changed by a creative puzzle bypass not rewarding token.

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Disbeeleaf wrote: It seems a little out of focus to assume that people were buying expensive tokens to ensure that they got all of the treasure stamps.

I don't believe that the power level of a player's tokens had any direct effect on the number of treasure stamps they ultimately acquire.

The number of treasure stamps available was the same regardless of the dungeon difficulty level. That point alone disconnects the token power levels from the treasure stamp acquisition process.

MasterED wrote:

Druegar wrote:

MasterED wrote: Because his artifact clearly gave him something no one else would get (excluding prestige Bard).

If the something nobody else got was a guarantee, then I agree. But if his party got all three stamps, the net result remains unchanged.

"ensures the owner is allotted treasure as if his party earned at least three treasure stamps per adventure." <- is a "power". No one else had that "power" in pre-2016 (excluding prestige Bard). For 2016 now everyone has that "power". If only one person has something and suddenly everyone does it lowers the value. If you were the only one with a Porsche 918 Spyder and suddenly everyone had one and you tried to sell yours you wouldn't get very much - hence the value of your Porsche greatly decreased.

I agree the Net difference for him regarding treasure is the same - he got 3 last year and gets 3 next year. The Value of his artifact is lower though.

Ed

jedibcg wrote:

Druegar wrote:

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote: it hurts my artifact..so yea i dont like it..i didnt like the change in HoP last year because it hurt it too...

I don't understand how it hurts. neither change adversely affects the amount of treasure you get from your artifact .

• 2014: Your treasure was allocated as if you got three stamps and therefore got a total of 9 chips from a HoP. Other bonuses worked normally.
• 2015: Your treasure was allocated as if you got three stamps and therefore got a total of 9 chips from a HoP (or the HoP portion of a CoA). Other bonuses worked normally.
• 2016: Your treasure will be allocated as if you got three stamps and therefore you'll get a total of 9 chips from a HoP. Other bonuses will work normally.

I think Laz means that before his artifact guaranteed him stamps "ensures the owner is allotted treasure as if his party earned at least three treasure stamps per adventure." There was a cost in the creation of this ability and now that ability does nothing.

jedibcg wrote:

Incognito wrote: The long-term impact I see is that this decision is significantly de-emphasizing the utility of tokens.

How so? I didn't buy tokens to get 3 extra treasure stamps. I bought tokens to conquer the dungeon. That hasn't changed. If people were buying tokens just to get the 3 extra stamps I don't think they were doing it right. Seriously you can could get 3 pulls a lot cheaper than the tokens that aided in getting them.

The choice of difficulty has always been I choice thing, I don't see it affected by 3 treasure pulls.

I am not saying I am a fan of this change, just that I don't think it is the end of the world.


EDIT: Let me put it another way. Is this going to change the difficulty you play or tokens you purchase? I can only speak for me that it is not.

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Druegar wrote:

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote: it hurts my artifact..so yea i dont like it..i didnt like the change in HoP last year because it hurt it too...

I don't understand how it hurts. neither change adversely affects the amount of treasure you get from your artifact .

• 2014: Your treasure was allocated as if you got three stamps and therefore got a total of 9 chips from a HoP. Other bonuses worked normally.
• 2015: Your treasure was allocated as if you got three stamps and therefore got a total of 9 chips from a HoP (or the HoP portion of a CoA). Other bonuses worked normally.
• 2016: Your treasure will be allocated as if you got three stamps and therefore you'll get a total of 9 chips from a HoP. Other bonuses will work normally.

I think Laz means that before his artifact guaranteed him stamps "ensures the owner is allotted treasure as if his party earned at least three treasure stamps per adventure." There was a cost in the creation of this ability and now that ability does nothing.

yep..now everyone automatically gets it..that effect was wasted on my artifact now