TOPIC: Arcane Recipe <=Artifact Creation Token

Try pissed.

Oh, and auctions and combos didn't renorm gold or gems. The entire idea of norming something is to re-establish a fixed value. They made gold and gems more valuable, but it didn't peg a price to it. That's the difference. If you peg a price with infinite supply, you set the price. If TD offered to buy all gold back for cash right now no matter how much you want to send in, then that would be the max value for gold. If TD simply said there's now more you can spend your gold on, that's completely different. The market re-establishes a price. It's not a lock.

We should be offering TD as a course in economics for credit somewhere.<br />

You could dig up all the threads (and follow-on PM's) where Douglas and I debated about whether the Token Price Guide should "norm" the prices so that the value of a standard bag of tokens added up to exactly $10 (which was his position) or whether they should be determined as accurately as possible regardless of whether the result added up to $10 per bag of tokens or not (my thoughts).  I think he had similar discussions with others?  I could make a dissertation out of that!  =)

To actually norm it to $10, you would need someone willing to buy back every pack for that price. The very idea defeats the whole CCG concept. For a CCG, you always need to sum of the parts to add up to more than the whole (at least in theory).

Correct, only an unknown and un-opened pack is worth $10.<br />

Technically - is it even worth $10?  For a $1K order, we get 120 bags for $1010 (including shipping), that's $8.42 each.  But - they might be worth less than that, since that same $1010 gets you four PURPs.  And, they might be worth less than that, since you also get a signed module and a Rod of 7 Parts, Segment 2 for your $1010.  <br /><br />Or, going the other direction, if you order 1 bag of tokens, and pay $10 shipping, that bag just cost $20.  <br /><br />It can give you a headache trying to figure out what the price of a bag of tokens should be.  =)

I think the intent is to say, if you walk up to someone selling them, what would the fair market value be.  All that other stuff is fluff.

Why don't we just petition for one of the '10 ultra rares to be a ring that gives +1 ac and +1 to saves. Then people could just swap in the UR RoP for one of those. It makes for a good UR all around. Not hugely powerful, and more of a balance between the RoP and the save rings. Not a bad item to have around for general purposes.

Not a bad idea.<br />

Collectors would still hold the old...but I do like the idea for any "put out" person that did the big trade back in the day.<br /><br />Way to channel all that negative energy H!

While I can see the issue with "I traded for it at value X and that changed"  you have to realize that's going to happen.<br /><br />Suppose you trade me for 100 Token X's at say 100g each.  cause you think they look cool or whatever.<br /><br />Next year Dave lists Token X as an ingredient for Combo Y which is awesome.  Their value just increased.<br /><br />or a Near duplicate gets printed later that is slightly better.. their value just went down.<br /><br />While I agree that we should be mindful of those changes, and try not to cause them, or try not to make them overly great; thinking it's not going to happen is wishful at best.<br /><br />Particularly now that we have at least one person who's selling on the secondary market "professionaly".  The prices are going to get Dictated by the market... and as the market changes, so will those prices.<br /><br /> Complaining that Token X isn't worth what it was is slightly more productive than say Gas cost's too much.<br />JMO