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I think the HOP should cause diarrhea and toadlike wartiness the wearer. These would be curable by a special token useable only by the wizard.

<br />I think the HOP should cause diarrhea and toadlike wartiness the wearer. These would be curable by a special token useable only by the wizard. <br />

<br /><br />Wow, if we have the symptoms, can we have a free HOP, too?<br /><br />Never trust a guy that can spell diarrhea.

OK by me. I think you deserve one (without the symptoms of course).

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<br />Because eventually if you make them stack, in 10 years you would have *ahem* groups that can basically just ask for the entire treasure box with all the stackable token draws.   <br />

<br /><br />Well, at least if the items took slots, then people would have to voluntarily give up that slot for the token drawer, so they are making a sacrifice, rather than having slotless items like this one.  <br /><br />I'd prefer that there be no more "extra token drawing" tokens at all - but if there are going to be more, I'd prefer that they take up slots, like the Horn of Plenty does.  <br />

<br /><br />I don't know. I think that there will be more slotless items, the first part of the Rod comes to mind.  We seem to have a lot of items in most of the current available slots (weapons, armor, rings, amulets) (head gear next year).  There needs to be a way to affect sales, slotless items seems a great choice.<br />

<br /><br />Oh, I don't mind slotless items, I was just saying that items that allow extra token draws should be slotted items, to require a choice for using it.  The Charm is OK though, since it is very situational. 

1. rod of seven parts, segment one...look at the bottom?  ::looks at his token:: for what?  there is no hand symbol there.  looks slotless to me <br /><br />2. the charm:  i thought it was a decent idea that someone damaged got to draw an extra token.  the change to player sliding a 20 i thought was a crappy change and unnecessary, but if thats what everyone prefers ::shrug::.  the change to monster rolling a 20 against you makes it complete crap.  maybe if it triggered for EVERY player with a charm when the monster rolls a 20 against anyone in the party?  cant you see it now...DM says "monster attacks the bard and...kills the bard with a natural 20."  and there was much rejoicing.<br /><br />3. stacking issue.  it should stack with HoP.  my best friend is a great example why.  she likes to play rogue.  she doesnt own any tokens, i provide her with tokens to play, she gives me all the tokens she finds.  when i mentioned that i might sell my HoPs*, she got a sad look and said "but i like 'stealing' more tokens."  even slotless, i will probably only get one and let her use it.  it should stack so that my rogue can steal piles of tokens and get away with it <br /><br />*this past gencon, i found while equipping my party that i was 'rewarding' the friends who planned to keep the tokens they pulled by giving them the amulets that gave an in-game benefit, while 'punishing' my generous friends (who let me do the collecting) by giving them an amulet that did nothing for them (ie. HoP).  so i thought it only fair to sell/trade the HoPs for other usable tokens...until she said she didnt mind giving up the amulet slot to be more rogue-ish.

I have to weigh in on this issue of the Charm. I also liked it when you got hit and got extra treasure. Though I can see why some people would take it too far and purposefully get hurt every room so nerf!<br /><br />I can't hit a twenty if my life depended on it but I still wanted a Charm just because my luck would be I'll hit 10 20's if I didn't have one. Hmmm people who can hit 20's have skill so that makes it a complaint for those who have to rely on luck! <br /><br />Then if the monster rolls a 20 against you then you get to draw an extra from the box. This would be good - if your alive! So complaints about all three options.<br /><br />How about making this luck of Charm just that! It is slotless and allows an extra token pull from the treasure box - only if you correctly guess the secret word that opens up the false bottom. I see it this way. Every treasure pull the DM rolls a D20 to see what the secret word is (he has a card with 1-20 different words) and if the Q Charmer's answer is correct they get the extra pull. Otherwise just the one. So sorry bud! This way it is totally based on luck and everyone gets a chance to use it! Oh and the DM can roll for each Charmer in the room or so making it that if one guesses correctly they don't all get a pull without having their own luck. there can be mutliple false bottoms. <br /><br />Lady Myke

When had the ruling been made that the Charm wouldn't stack with the HOP?<br /><br />Kim

<br />How about making this luck of Charm just that! It is slotless and allows an extra token pull from the treasure box - only if you correctly guess the secret word that opens up the false bottom. I see it this way. Every treasure pull the DM rolls a D20 to see what the secret word is (he has a card with 1-20 different words) and if the Q Charmer's answer is correct they get the extra pull. Otherwise just the one. So sorry bud! This way it is totally based on luck and everyone gets a chance to use it! Oh and the DM can roll for each Charmer in the room or so making it that if one guesses correctly they don't all get a pull without having their own luck. there can be mutliple false bottoms. <br /><br />Lady Myke<br />

<br /><br />How about just letting each charm holder roll 2d6 when they do the treasure pull and if they get a "7", they get the extra pull? Totally luck based. "Daddy needs a new purp! (blows on dice, toss)"<br />

<br />When had the ruling been made that the Charm wouldn't stack with the HOP?<br /><br />Kim<br />

<br />It does stack (as of now).  The original version allowed 2 extra tokens and with a Horn of Plenty you could draw 5 tokens.  WooHoo!!!!!!!!!!

Guessing secret words or rolling dice would take up too much time.<br /><br />

<br />1. rod of seven parts, segment one...look at the bottom?  ::looks at his token:: for what?  there is no hand symbol there.  looks slotless to me <br />

<br /><br />That was the ruling at one time in time.  I think it should be slotless as well.  Would be less confusing.

+2 Sling of Impact is boring(and under powered) What was wrong with +5 damage on a crit? Now we a a ranged weapon that doesnt compare to other ranged damage wheels and a niche useless power. IMHO<br /><br />Everything else looks great!!!<br /><br />