TOPIC: 2008 Tokens -- PLEASE PROOF!

<br />It would be retrievable, but I don't want to change any old token designs.  The Token Guide will list usable things as potions or other liquids that are quaffed. No oils or salves!<br />

<br /><br />How about Holy water? We would be fine drinking it

<br />I like this idea better, though are we really so adverse to just allowing the level to be retained so long as you have the token? I realize it's a somewhat powerful ability with more benefits than the average UR, but as everyone keeps telling me, not all URs are created equal, and I think we should have the opportunity to start leveling characters up, even if it's just by collecting URs. It's worth mentioning that there isn't the concern that this level up will put 3rd level spells into the hands of characters incidentally, since they aren't gained till 5th level...so still no fireballs! <br />

<br /><br /><br />Well, if we're going to have a reusable token that permanently gives you +1 level, maybe that would be a better choice as the 4-cauldron token (requiring all the ingredients) rather than merely as a UR?

<br />Bard on Broadswords? I agree its the same avg DMG (5.5 for the +1 Version) as the Longsword, but are they really Broadsword users?<br /><br />Quoting the SRD<br /> http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/bard.htm <br />"A bard is proficient with all simple weapons, plus the longsword, rapier, sap, short sword, shortbow, and whip."<br /><br />Same Kind of Question about the Cleric on the Flail<br />Again quoting the SRD<br /> http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/cleric.htm <br />"Clerics are proficient with all simple weapons, with all types of armor (light, medium, and heavy), and with shields (except tower shields). "<br /><br />So while the light mace makes it in as a simple weapon, the Flail, as a Martial Weapon, should it really be in the realm of the Cleric?  Or is it there to give New Player Clerics at least a shot at a +1 Weapon?<br /><br />

<br /><br />Good points.  As far as I know there is not broadsword in 3.5 as they killed it in 3.0.  I just did it for variety really.  The Flail used to be a cleric weapon pre-3.0 and it could be one in 4.0.  Who knows?  Also, it is good for clerics to have a +1 weapon in 2008.  While we try to mimic the current D&D rules, we don't always follow them exactly.  Heck, some day 5.0 D&D will be out and I hope TD is still going strong.

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<br />Regarding the Potion of Heroism...what if we made it a Medallion of Heroism that would act just like the Potion, except like the Wish Ring it would have a +2 to AC after 2008.  It would have a space for it to be checked off like the Wish Ring, and then returned to the collector after it was turned in for the 4th level character sheet.<br /><br />BTW, we can talk about my seperate non-token Rumor idea in a later post.  Stay tuned.<br />

<br /><br />Or make is a Medal of Heroism that doesnt take a slot and gets pinned to your chest. <br /><br />also, instead of just a standard +2AC after use, make it class specific. like +2 dex for rogue and bard, ewis for druid cleric and so on<br />

<br /><br />I like this idea better, though are we really so adverse to just allowing the level to be retained so long as you have the token? I realize it's a somewhat powerful ability with more benefits than the average UR, but as everyone keeps telling me, not all URs are created equal, and I think we should have the opportunity to start leveling characters up, even if it's just by collecting URs. It's worth mentioning that there isn't the concern that this level up will put 3rd level spells into the hands of characters incidentally, since they aren't gained till 5th level...so still no fireballs! <br />

<br /><br />Logistically, it is going to be a big hassle to have two different sets of character cards every year.  It would be okay for one year, but forever is another matter.  I think it is probably best to kill the level idea all together if people are going to use the token.

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<br />Regarding the Potion of Heroism...what if we made it a Medallion of Heroism that would act just like the Potion, except like the Wish Ring it would have a +2 to AC after 2008.  It would have a space for it to be checked off like the Wish Ring, and then returned to the collector after it was turned in for the 4th level character sheet.<br /><br />BTW, we can talk about my seperate non-token Rumor idea in a later post.  Stay tuned.<br />

<br /><br />Or make is a Medal of Heroism that doesnt take a slot and gets pinned to your chest. <br /><br />also, instead of just a standard +2AC after use, make it class specific. like +2 dex for rogue and bard, ewis for druid cleric and so on<br />

<br /><br />I like this idea better, though are we really so adverse to just allowing the level to be retained so long as you have the token? I realize it's a somewhat powerful ability with more benefits than the average UR, but as everyone keeps telling me, not all URs are created equal, and I think we should have the opportunity to start leveling characters up, even if it's just by collecting URs. It's worth mentioning that there isn't the concern that this level up will put 3rd level spells into the hands of characters incidentally, since they aren't gained till 5th level...so still no fireballs! <br />

<br /><br />Logistically, it is going to be a big hassle to have two different sets of character cards every year.  It would be okay for one year, but forever is another matter.  I think it is probably best to kill the level idea all together if people are going to use the token.<br />

<br /><br />I'll bet if you added the Ring of Wild Magic and made it's 2008 function to let you play 4th Level, you would have widespread interest and involvement.  I'd definitely get one and play it, and probably get at least 2-3 for my friends to use as well  =D

<br />It would be retrievable, but I don't want to change any old token designs.  The Token Guide will list usable things as potions or other liquids that are quaffed. No oils or salves!<br />

<br /><br />Thank you for answering the question about Anti-Toxin.  I always thought of it as a Potion and not a Salve.<br /><br />If this is the case, then I'd say you doni't need to put "potion" at the top of the double-stout.  Of course, it would be nice that, if classifications are to be used, they are at the top of all tokens, even "old" tokens, perhaps starting in 2009?<br /><br />

Logistically, it is going to be a big hassle to have two different sets of character cards every year.  It would be okay for one year, but forever is another matter.  I think it is probably best to kill the level idea all together if people are going to use the token.

<br /><br />It would indeed be a hassle and incure more costs. I think the idea for the level bump use on the item is really good and should it be found by a new player, make them feel like they had a bigger impact on thier run. I know I would use it for my first run through. <br />The big issue is the neck slot. I am looking foward to using the horn and I have a long way to go before I catch up to Gary, let alone smak, on tokens .  As well as the point that +2AC has been done.<br /> <br />If not a medal, how about a Mantle of heroism and start off a whole new shoulder slot item and change it up with new shoulders each year. Even one of the combos can be shoulders. <br /><br />If the idea of different stats for each class is too much to keep track of. Then how about a permanent Bless or Magic circle of Protection against evil?

he Scroll of Mind Blank has the 2007 "Thorn" icon on the ring instead of the 2008 "Bumps".  <br /><br />Sorry if this was already been mentioned (I'm afraid I didn't have a chance to thoroughly read through EVERY post this morning).

<br />he Scroll of Mind Blank has the 2007 "Thorn" icon on the ring instead of the 2008 "Bumps".  <br /><br />Sorry if this was already been mentioned (I'm afraid I didn't have a chance to thoroughly read through EVERY post this morning). <br />

<br /><br />good catch. did Brian miss that?

<br />he Scroll of Mind Blank has the 2007 "Thorn" icon on the ring instead of the 2008 "Bumps".  <br /><br />Sorry if this was already been mentioned (I'm afraid I didn't have a chance to thoroughly read through EVERY post this morning). <br />

<br /><br />Thanks!<br /><br />BTW, 2007 was the teeth of the Beholder and 2008 is the grapes of the monestery's vineyard.

<br />10) Change Boots of Springing to "Boots of the Cat" and take out the words “and magical” so it applies to mechanical traps only.<br /><br />

<br /><br />How about something flashier?  Boots of Xan Yae -  lesser goddess of twilight, shadows, stealth and mental powers, or Boots of Brandobaris - lesser god of stealth, thieves and adventuring.  Or at least Boots of the Manx, Boots of Bengal, etc.<br /><br />Deity names came from a wikipedia entry - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities_of_Dungeons_%26_Dragons .  Nice resource.<br /><br />binia

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<br />he Scroll of Mind Blank has the 2007 "Thorn" icon on the ring instead of the 2008 "Bumps".  <br /><br />Sorry if this was already been mentioned (I'm afraid I didn't have a chance to thoroughly read through EVERY post this morning). <br />

<br /><br />Thanks!<br /><br />BTW, 2007 was the teeth of the Beholder and 2008 is the grapes of the monestery's vineyard.<br />

<br /><br />Cool!