TOPIC: New 2007 Token Guide Feedback

Or if in 2008 gauntlets of ogre power are printed with a restriction then the older one would have to conform to the newest restriction so it is problem solved.<br /><br />Side note:  Gauntlets are considered medium or heavy armor so only classes that can wear those types should be able to wear them.  Light Armor is considered to be free hand or cloth/leather hand covering.

My impression is that we will not change the restriction on the Gauntlets in 2008, but maybe the picture if we can find a better one.  Other belts, gauntlets, bracers, etc. that are pseudo armor will just have any specific restrictions on them as they are issued.  It would be nice to use my generalization, but taking advantage of the token print is probably less of a restriction in the long run.

<br />#8 Mage Armor has been nerfed so it no longer stacks with armor. Doesn't hurt the Wizard (who didn't have armor before this year) so it really just hits the Bard. I don't know why the description says it can't be used with armor (rather than not stacking with armor). Say a Wizard has a Cloak of the Mage (but no +2 Claok of Resistance). He would rather have the +4 AC of the Mage Armor (instead of the +3 from the Cloak) but still wants to use the saving throw bonus. Why can't he use the Cloak of the Mage with the Mage Armor (even though he only gets the AC bonus from one)?<br />Let’s just say the magic from one nullifies the other. <br />

<br /><br />Dave/Jeff/Gang,<br /><br />I'm a bit confused about how the different armor options work for the mage.  <br /><br />1) Which armor enhancers can a mage use?<br />Mage armor  --  Yes<br />Cloak of the Mage -- Yes<br />Ring of protection -- Yes?<br />Amulet of armor -- Yes?<br />Bracers of Defense -- No? (The current guide say "no" but in this post it sounds like yes, I'm confused)<br />Gloves of Dex -- Yes<br /><br />2) Which way can they be stacked?<br />Given the above quote from Dave "Let’s just say the magic from one nullifies the other" can mage armor and/or cloak of the mage be stacked with anything? If so, which?<br /><br />(Basically I want further clarification on token guide FAQ #15)

I'm just commenting...<br />My take on the Cloak of the Mage and Mage Armor spell would be that the strongest is in effect.<br />As a DM, I would normally let a player wear the CoM and have Armor cast upon him.  If the Armor spell runs out or is dispelled, then the AC bonus from the Cloak takes over.<br />While the AC bonus from the Armor spell is in effct, I would also allow the +2 bonus from the Cloak to be in effect.<br /><br />I'm not sure that's what they had in mind, but that's how I would play it.<br /><br />JKW

I can understand the ruling that Mage Armor and Cloak of the Mage would not stack.  I plan on casting Mage Armor and wearing a Cloak of Resistance and a Ring of Protection.  That should at least decrease the size of the bullseye on my wizard's robes!<br /><br />Brian<br />

<br />I can understand the ruling that Mage Armor and Cloak of the Mage would not stack.  I plan on casting Mage Armor and wearing a Cloak of Resistance and a Ring of Protection.  That should at least decrease the size of the bullseye on my wizard's robes!<br />

<br /><br />Your assuming that the mage armor and the ring of protection will stack.  From the wording in the token guide I'm not sure that is true!

All other things stack, you just can not wear multiples of the same ring and you can not wear cloak of the mage and and mage armor.<br /><br />Bracers are back in for now because there is no restrictive text on the token, other gauntlets or bracers may have class restrictions but they will be on the token.<br /><br />So yes, as a wizard you could:<br />Cast Mage armor OR wear the Cloak of the mage<br />Wear a ring of +1 and a ring of +2 protection (they are not the same identical token)<br />Wear an amulet of armor<br />Wear the bracers of defense<br />and wear the gloves of dexterity<br /><br />Clear as mud?

Threads like these make me very glad I am not a dungeon DM. And that I can be a silly little pixie in the tavern and it still be considered work. Teehee.

<br />Cast Mage armor OR wear the Cloak of the mage<br /><br />Clear as mud?<br />

<br /><br />Dave, <br /><br />One question just to make sure.  A Wizard could still cast Mage Armor and wear the Cloak of the Mage. correct?  They just would not get the dual AC bonus?  The way you worded the above, it sounds as though the Mage Armor creates some barrier tha physically prevents the CotM from being strapped to your back.  Is this what you meant?  And I think you mentioned that the Wizard would not get the save bonus with the CotM in this case, correct?<br /><br />Thanks!

<br />So yes, as a wizard you could:<br />Cast Mage armor OR wear the Cloak of the mage<br />

<br /><br />Just tripple checking (don't get mad!)...<br />So, if a person states they have both (a cloak of the mage and mage armor) on, can we say the +2 to saves from the Cloak is in effect and the 4AC from the spell is in effect or do we say, sorry, when you went to case the mage armor spell, it failed as you were already wearing a cloak of the mage ... or, since you already had the mage armor in effect, when you put the cloak on, it acted as a plain cloak and you did not received Neither the AC bonus nor the save bonus.<br /><br />I guess I'm just trying to understand if the Saves from the Cloak could work while the AC from the Spell worked.  Perhaps it's not my place to ask, but I don't understand why TD would say the entire cloak stops functioning, including the saves, if the spell if in effect.<br /><br /><br />Thank you much for trying to help sort this out,<br /><br />John<br />

Magic is such a tricky thing...just wear armor!

No, guys.  We really want it to be a strategic choice.  <br /><br />If Mage Armor is cast the Cloak will not work at all.  <br /><br />No AC no save bonus.<br /><br />If the Wizard has both, he/she must choose which they will use.  I would love to have options open for the Wizard to be able to change their mind, but the whole AC calc thing on the Party Card would be effected, so they just need to make a call and live with it for the adventure.