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TOPIC: Going back to fewer auctions/non competing auctions?

Going back to fewer auctions/non competing auctions? 2 months 2 weeks ago #145

I do understand the request and do understand that part of the community does not agree or appreciate the approach I am taking. I do not discount that at all as many of those members have supported and helped build the TD community and supported the game when it was at its infancy. The game would not be here for me to join without them.

However I also know that I provide services to members that are unique and help give others access to the benefits of running an auction. I also uniquely provide access to auctions and preorders outside of the forums, including bringing members into the forums where they find other people to trade and buy with outside of my own shop. I have also run, donate to, and volunteer in charity auctions run across this community with the tokens and funds from the store at my own expense.

So while I do understand that what I am doing has disrupted the previous model of how the community worked, I do think that there is room for all of us and at the end of the day, I provide more positive to the community than negativity from it.
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Going back to fewer auctions/non competing auctions? 2 months 2 weeks ago #146

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: So are you willing to step back and not compete against other people who want to run auctions? That's the core thing people are asking you to do. Stop running concurrent auctions that fight with other sellers, which cause their auctions to fail and cause them to leave the auction scene.

Are you willing to take turns with other people so everyone has a fair chance of their auction funding?


If you have to have no competition to be able to have your auction funded then something is fundamentally wrong with your listing or reputation and you probably shouldn't be doing them. There is a very set list of items in an 8k auction. Those should equal up to the funding amount for every auction. Values will fluctuate but in the end all items when totaled should equal the 8k price tag otherwise why would we ever do group buys?

The ONLY thing occurring when you reduce competition in the market is higher prices for the buyer. That means that people who may have built a collection prior to this or who can afford to drop 8k and break it up will benefit from being to charge higher for those who can't.

What I see is a lot of people with some substantial amount of levels next to their name trying to make sure that auctions get funded no matter what the terms are. If person X is running an auction and they are keeping the 2-3 high value current year items and replaces it will URs from years back but are still requesting a full 8k funding amount should we expect everyone to wait till its funded before someone else creates one that will be funded much more quickly? THAT would be Shady.

And I'm going to be real honest if that's what ends up happening here, this community is 100% not for me.
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Going back to fewer auctions/non competing auctions? 2 months 2 weeks ago #147

Kusig wrote:

kurtreznor wrote: If it is that important to get others running auctions instead of the same person, the simplest solution off the top of my head is to make patron benefits non-transferable.
I would suggest still allowing adventurer guild to be transferable to allow for a group of friends to pool together for the 8k bonuses...but whoever gets the patron code will have to be the one placing the order.


Possible results from that suggestion. Now all other items in the 8k have a price increase since the Patron Pin is now effectively worth $0 to a group buy causing more auctions to fail to fund.

Also nothing is to prevent me from sponsoring an auction run by someone else and just dumping the 8k charge through my account and have it shipped to whomever I have running the auction. The only thing that does is allow me to get a Patron Pin for next to nothing since everyone will think its worthless anyway for the person running the auction.

Just seems like that would result in increased prices to everyone when I bet most of us want to see URs and the like more accessible and affordable.


Oh, gee, you mean there are benefits for EVERYONE when you allow economies of scale to work? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you. ;)

But seriously, there are actual benefits for everyone with a monopoly IFF you can guarantee fairness and remove greed. Of course, under our current capitalist economy, profit is the driving force for businesses, which...goes off on a whole tangent. The point as it relates to this thread is that because of capitalism, we are very skeptical and untrusting of any apparent monopoly (such as running all the auctions).
If Utaku is being fair and not trying to scam for his benefit, then his auctions are an amazing benefit for all of us. And this does seem to be the case...honestly, if I was sponsoring one of his auctions, I would expect to pay him one of the random URs for his service of running the auction.
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Going back to fewer auctions/non competing auctions? 2 months 2 weeks ago #148

Kusig wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: So are you willing to step back and not compete against other people who want to run auctions? That's the core thing people are asking you to do. Stop running concurrent auctions that fight with other sellers, which cause their auctions to fail and cause them to leave the auction scene.

Are you willing to take turns with other people so everyone has a fair chance of their auction funding?


If you have to have no competition to be able to have your auction funded then something is fundamentally wrong with your listing or reputation and you probably shouldn't be doing them. There is a very set list of items in an 8k auction. Those should equal up to the funding amount for every auction. Values will fluctuate but in the end all items when totaled should equal the 8k price tag otherwise why would we ever do group buys?

The ONLY thing occurring when you reduce competition in the market is higher prices for the buyer. That means that people who may have built a collection prior to this or who can afford to drop 8k and break it up will benefit from being to charge higher for those who can't.

What I see is a lot of people with some substantial amount of levels next to their name trying to make sure that auctions get funded no matter what the terms are. If person X is running an auction and they are keeping the 2-3 high value current year items and replaces it will URs from years back but are still requesting a full 8k funding amount should we expect everyone to wait till its funded before someone else creates one that will be funded much more quickly? THAT would be Shady.

And I'm going to be real honest if that's what ends up happening here, this community is 100% not for me.


Thank you for this reply, it saves me some time as I was going to respond similarly myself.

And the potential for abuse by asking for non-competing auctions is very real. I am one of those who would have benefited last fall. I ran one of the auctions described above: I kept the patron, dragon orb, and some URs (getting these was the whole point of my 8k) and added some various other tokens to fund that amount. BUT there were competing auctions. The result was that I ended up paying more out of my pocket than I had hoped. But that is fine, because the reason was that patron benefits ended up being more valuable than I expected this year...if I had been allowed to run the only auction while mine was going, I likely would have gotten a cheap patron code by temporarily raising the price on other items.

Another auction running at the same time might make funding slightly more difficult, but it helps prevent price manipulation.
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Going back to fewer auctions/non competing auctions? 2 months 2 weeks ago #149

Let's all take a 24 hour permanent break from this thread.
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