TOPIC: Treasure Inflation

jedibcg Banjo 5150 Lover wrote:

Singsalot wrote: In this modern era of apps and such, there's no reason a vet can't have a proper NM build ready and a high-defense, lower-damage build in case of a Normal run. No Str/spell damage boosts, Turkey leg, etc.

I agree with Dave. I care 12 builds for my group already. I don't want to carry another full build or two. However you don't ever have to equip all your tokens. Use just your legendary weapon (and nothing else) if that is all you have. It is also pretty easy to miss when sliding if you are attempting to miss. Or play a class that doesn't matter as much how much gear you have like a bard or a pacifist druid.

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Create a number of builds in an app. The difference in the builds isn't swapping out tokens, it's removing tokens. Normal build could be 1-7 tokens used in Epic build (plus TEs, of course), and so forth. Don't need to carry anything more than normally would.

Ian Lee wrote:

jedibcg Banjo 5150 Lover wrote:

Singsalot wrote: In this modern era of apps and such, there's no reason a vet can't have a proper NM build ready and a high-defense, lower-damage build in case of a Normal run. No Str/spell damage boosts, Turkey leg, etc.

I agree with Dave. I care 12 builds for my group already. I don't want to carry another full build or two. However you don't ever have to equip all your tokens. Use just your legendary weapon (and nothing else) if that is all you have. It is also pretty easy to miss when sliding if you are attempting to miss. Or play a class that doesn't matter as much how much gear you have like a bard or a pacifist druid.

Bolded for emphasis.

Create a number of builds in an app. The difference in the builds isn't swapping out tokens, it's removing tokens. Normal build could be 1-7 tokens used in Epic build (plus TEs, of course), and so forth. Don't need to carry anything more than normally would.

I really like this and I think I'll start doing that for now on. I've also started to pick tokens that are more thematic and fun over pure damage enhancers that way if i'm doing pugs I can maybe add to the excitement through role play instead of just beat up on things.

jedibcg Banjo 5150 Lover wrote:

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote: I have done a pick up group. Walked in and someone was negotiating the treasure cut. Me being the ass I am..said use mine You can keep all the treasure. I don’t want anything

That is what happens when an ahole (me) shows up unexpectedly

There is a reason that I like laz and that we sometimes butt heads. We both can be an ass...lol.

At least we know dark knight is best super hero movie

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:

jedibcg Banjo 5150 Lover wrote:

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote: I have done a pick up group. Walked in and someone was negotiating the treasure cut. Me being the ass I am..said use mine You can keep all the treasure. I don’t want anything

That is what happens when an ahole (me) shows up unexpectedly

There is a reason that I like laz and that we sometimes butt heads. We both can be an ass...lol.

At least we know dark knight is best super hero movie

Endgame.

Or Casino Royale if you prefer something “older”.

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:

jedibcg Banjo 5150 Lover wrote: I just hope no one gets mad that their deal for treasure gets triumphed by 'better' deal for treasure by someone else. I have cut someone's gained treasure short by offering a better deal (no cost) to players without TE's.

Well you have to put up with me for 2 hours, so there is that cost. The individual persons I guess have to figure out if it was worth it to gain extra treasure...lol.

I have done a pick up group. Walked in and someone was negotiating the treasure cut. Me being the ass I am..said use mine You can keep all the treasure. I don’t want anything

That is what happens when an ahole (me) shows up unexpectedly

When I find a new player with 0 TE tokens I offer a full loan of all mine and ask for a 10x chip. It's getting better and better for them as new TEs come out.

If they already have any URTE I'll ask if they need anything to fill to max treasure and will upgrade them to full assuming I have enough CoA's free that run to do so. But the 0 token newbies always come first.

I don't haggle on things. If they come back with 7 instead of 10 I'll generally say yes. If someone walked in and offered full chips for free I'd laugh and suggest they take the free loan instead

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:

jedibcg Banjo 5150 Lover wrote: I just hope no one gets mad that their deal for treasure gets triumphed by 'better' deal for treasure by someone else. I have cut someone's gained treasure short by offering a better deal (no cost) to players without TE's.

Well you have to put up with me for 2 hours, so there is that cost. The individual persons I guess have to figure out if it was worth it to gain extra treasure...lol.

I have done a pick up group. Walked in and someone was negotiating the treasure cut. Me being the ass I am..said use mine You can keep all the treasure. I don’t want anything

That is what happens when an ahole (me) shows up unexpectedly

Neither of you are ass.... Shame that people ask for a return after someone pays for their own ticket.

Guedoji wrote: This isn't directly related to TEs, but a word of caution for everyone from personal experience around loaning tokens.

While loaning tokens seems nice, in the early days I was often geared out with higher level tokens by vets that joined the runs. Vets joining pugs and decking out players to the point that people are killing monsters in one shot, or one round in normal difficulty is not a good thing. When monsters go down before people are able to attack, be attacked, or even understand what happened, it actually hurts the experience more than it helps. Initially I didn't understand why anyone needed tokens, it was just all too easy.

Players don't want to sit around for 5-6 minutes after the monster is killed. This is akin to vets coming in and answering the puzzle they have already done. There is no danger involved if someone is just going to solve it.

Whenever I am running with newbies, a pug, or the crew of 20ish that I sponsor on runs I privately ask combat GM's to signal me when the monster is dead so I can stop burning spells but to allow the party to fight to the warning timer and claim victory. I've been doing that for the last 5 years. One of my friends figured it out the third year and thanked me for making it more epic for the group/

Being a Wizard is an advantage because I already have to talk to the GM to cast spells and I already skip casting rounds to conserve ammo if the monster is nearly dead, so it doesn't seem odd that I'm chatting with the DM for a moment.

Singsalot wrote: In this modern era of apps and such, there's no reason a vet can't have a proper NM build ready and a high-defense, lower-damage build in case of a Normal run. No Str/spell damage boosts, Turkey leg, etc.

As a Wizard I just stop using my MEC and undercut my +spell damage bonuses (and drop my HP by 25ish)

jedibcg Banjo 5150 Lover wrote: Yeah I try not to loan out anything besides TE's unless someone specifically asks to borrow something or it is an organized run of some type. If we cannot kill the monster with the gear we have ohhh well it likely won't wipe the party and if it does it would not be the end of the world.

I offer if anyone wants.

I offer a full rare build or random URs depending what the player wants to experience.

Some players want the CHALLENGE!! some want to DECIMATE!! the enemies. I adjust to what they want.

Endgame wrote:

Guedoji wrote: Players don't want to sit around for 5-6 minutes after the monster is killed. This is akin to vets coming in and answering the puzzle they have already done. There is no danger involved if someone is just going to solve it.

Very much agree, especially on immediately killing the monsters. Part of the reason I’m buying out full runs now is an experience with a legendary geared player on a normal difficulty pug a few years back. Said player not only was capable of soloing all of the monsters, but actively shoed some of us away from sliding since he “had it covered”.

I would rather not kill a monster Sliding 5 rounds of combat than wipe it out with 5 minutes to spare.

*blinks* What the serious fuck.

I can't believe someone did that to you, I am sorry that ever happened. That's the kind of shit that loses us new players

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

Guedoji wrote: This isn't directly related to TEs, but a word of caution for everyone from personal experience around loaning tokens.

While loaning tokens seems nice, in the early days I was often geared out with higher level tokens by vets that joined the runs. Vets joining pugs and decking out players to the point that people are killing monsters in one shot, or one round in normal difficulty is not a good thing. When monsters go down before people are able to attack, be attacked, or even understand what happened, it actually hurts the experience more than it helps. Initially I didn't understand why anyone needed tokens, it was just all too easy.

Players don't want to sit around for 5-6 minutes after the monster is killed. This is akin to vets coming in and answering the puzzle they have already done. There is no danger involved if someone is just going to solve it.

Whenever I am running with newbies, a pug, or the crew of 20ish that I sponsor on runs I privately ask combat GM's to signal me when the monster is dead so I can stop burning spells but to allow the party to fight to the warning timer and claim victory. I've been doing that for the last 5 years. One of my friends figured it out the third year and thanked me for making it more epic for the group/

Being a Wizard is an advantage because I already have to talk to the GM to cast spells and I already skip casting rounds to conserve ammo if the monster is nearly dead, so it doesn't seem odd that I'm chatting with the DM for a moment.

That's cool, its much more exciting when it runs the clock and someone makes that last ditch heroic kill!

edwin wrote:
Neither of you are ass....

I am definitely an ass. Don't just my dealings with TE's to be a sign that I am not one. I am usually a smartass, sometimes a dumbass, but generally always an ass.