TOPIC: Benrow's Elder Drake Necklace question

Are there any developments on this discussion?

Have TBTP reviewed this summary of the design discussion around Benrow's:

Druegar wrote: Matthew, if you can link to the exact posts (not the thread, the specific posts) where either Jeff or I made those statements, I'll take a look.

For those who may not know, the white "#X" in the upper right of each post links directly to that post. Right-clicking on the "#X" should give you the option to copy the link.

OK - I had a chance to look it up, here is the context to Jeff's quoted comment below.

1. Benrow's had undergone 4 revisions with the game text 'may hit Ranged target w/FoB'.

There were dozens of comments from multiple people across these threads understanding this ability as the Gloves of the Flying Fist effect. I can provide links to specific comments if you want.

2. Then, in the last of these 4 revision, several people, including Incognito, specifically requested that the GoFF ability be removed from Benrow's:

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=615&id=250038&start=48#347872
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=615&id=250038&start=48#347881
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=615&id=250038&start=60#347950
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=615&id=250038&start=72#348000
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=615&id=250038&start=72#348003

3. Then a new version of Benrow's was created, with the following wording: '...all FoB weapons may be thrown & gain Returning...'

Jeff says of this change:

"Trans Monk's Relic & Legendary - We took out the Gloves of Glory power (many thought it was not good enough to include as is) and we added some new abilities that should work better...and the Legendary should be fun for fans of 70's Chinese martial art films. We took out the granting of PT-5 Psychic Power since most Legendary Monks will have a higher level anyway in a few short years."

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=615&id=250061#348241

Note: Jeff said 'Gloves of Glory' - but he clearly meant 'Gloves of the Flying Fist' as the Gloves of Glory had had nothing to do with any of the relics or legendaries designed this year. Jeff's statement is a bit confusingly worded, but the intent of:

a. We took out the GoFF effect from the Monk relic/legendary.
b. New abilities that are different from the GoFF effect were added.

Is clear to me.


Players immediately understood and recognized that with this new wording the GoFF ability was gone. They began discussion of how the thrown weapons rules apply and asked for some clarifications on stuff like stunning fist, the number of slideable pucks, etc.:

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=615&id=250061#348243
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=615&id=250061#348244
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=615&id=250061#348249
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=615&id=250061#348253
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=615&id=250061&start=12#348275
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=615&id=250061&start=24#348286
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=615&id=250061&start=24#348292
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=615&id=250061&start=36#348310

After all the above comments, one more set of changes to the 2020 tokens were made. Benrow's was not changed in this final set of changes, which occurred after Jeff explicitly removed GoFF effect, and after much discussion the implications of the GoFF effect no longer being on the token.

I am also interested in the resolution.

macXdmg wrote: I am also interested in the resolution.

+1

My tokens just got delivered.
And I would love to know what I just obtained the ingredients for.

I feel like calculator developers should know this before the first convention with possible transmutes.

Druegar probably bugged me about this to discuss, but we got so busy with tokens and end of year prep -- that we did not have time to discuss. He is officially on vacation until after the new year, so thanks for your patience.

Thanks Jeff!

Just bumping this to the front!

I saw a Druegar post, but I think Jeff is OoO now, oh bother our pertinent questions remain in a perilous tbd state. All that to say bump seems arduous and excessive but yet it contains not my antici ... wait for it ... pation.

Have TBTP reviewed this summary of the design discussion around Benrow's:

Druegar wrote: Matthew, if you can link to the exact posts (not the thread, the specific posts) where either Jeff or I made those statements, I'll take a look.

For those who may not know, the white "#X" in the upper right of each post links directly to that post. Right-clicking on the "#X" should give you the option to copy the link.

OK - I had a chance to look it up, here is the context to Jeff's quoted comment below.

1. Benrow's had undergone 4 revisions with the game text 'may hit Ranged target w/FoB'.

There were dozens of comments from multiple people across these threads understanding this ability as the Gloves of the Flying Fist effect. I can provide links to specific comments if you want.

2. Then, in the last of these 4 revision, several people, including Incognito, specifically requested that the GoFF ability be removed from Benrow's:

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=615&id=250038&start=48#347872
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=615&id=250038&start=48#347881
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=615&id=250038&start=60#347950
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=615&id=250038&start=72#348000
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=615&id=250038&start=72#348003

3. Then a new version of Benrow's was created, with the following wording: '...all FoB weapons may be thrown & gain Returning...'

Jeff says of this change:

"Trans Monk's Relic & Legendary - We took out the Gloves of Glory power (many thought it was not good enough to include as is) and we added some new abilities that should work better...and the Legendary should be fun for fans of 70's Chinese martial art films. We took out the granting of PT-5 Psychic Power since most Legendary Monks will have a higher level anyway in a few short years."

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=615&id=250061#348241

Note: Jeff said 'Gloves of Glory' - but he clearly meant 'Gloves of the Flying Fist' as the Gloves of Glory had had nothing to do with any of the relics or legendaries designed this year. Jeff's statement is a bit confusingly worded, but the intent of:

a. We took out the GoFF effect from the Monk relic/legendary.
b. New abilities that are different from the GoFF effect were added.

Is clear to me.


Players immediately understood and recognized that with this new wording the GoFF ability was gone. They began discussion of how the thrown weapons rules apply and asked for some clarifications on stuff like stunning fist, the number of slideable pucks, etc.:

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=615&id=250061#348243
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=615&id=250061#348244
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=615&id=250061#348249
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=615&id=250061#348253
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=615&id=250061&start=12#348275
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=615&id=250061&start=24#348286
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=615&id=250061&start=24#348292
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=615&id=250061&start=36#348310

After all the above comments, one more set of changes to the 2020 tokens were made. Benrow's was not changed in this final set of changes, which occurred after Jeff explicitly removed GoFF effect, and after much discussion the implications of the GoFF effect no longer being on the token.

Just so y'all know, the office closure over Xmas vacation, the Martin family's well deserved vacation, and PAX South have kept Jeff and I from discussing this topic for about a month. That doesn't mean we're not going to discuss it, but it does mean the discussion won't happen for a bit longer.

Don't let this post stop you from nudging us, I just wanted to let you know what's currently going on.

Druegar wrote: Just so y'all know, the office closure over Xmas vacation, the Martin family's well deserved vacation, and PAX South have kept Jeff and I from discussing this topic for about a month. That doesn't mean we're not going to discuss it, but it does mean the discussion won't happen for a bit longer.

Don't let this post stop you from nudging us, I just wanted to let you know what's currently going on.

Thank you for the update.